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I remember quite a bit in around 2000, when the millennium stadium opened, he obviously turned up for that one.Originally Posted by Mario Miethig
I used to buy a lot of tickets at the time, i was always disappointed when he didn't show. I didnt support Manchester United so i didnt care what he did for them.
He was a great talent, could have done similar to what Bale did if he had his commitment, ultimately he didn't.
most I knew at the time who were city / wales fans were annoyed when he didnt turn up for a friendly as he was injured but in 3 days time would be bombing down the wing for Utd ( we all knew it was a convenient injury so he didnt need to travel )
now of course, people will say " but he turned up for the game that mattered " which is true, but these friendlies are played as part of training and a full team just might have been the difference of us winning the next game or not, we then have to ask ourselves, what was the point of us fans shelling out our hard earned money to watch a friendly ?
he made his choices then and must live them then now ( though i suspect he doesnt really care that much )
It's well documented that Alex Ferguson put huge pressure on his players not to play in friendlies. I can't say I blame either of them really. As for shelling out your hard-earned money, that's up to you, isn't it?
He quit international football mid group and said he would have done it even if Wales could have qualified.
62 caps but never showed up for Wales games ffs 🤣🤣
I remember fans moaning he didn't turn up for friendlies but neither did they
Putting his personal life aside and concentrating on his footballing career, he played until he was 40 and at the highest level. No doubt that was partly due rationing himself to playing in meaningful games and missing Wales friendlies was hardly a cardinal sin in my humble opinion.
Wales are unbeaten since Ryan Giggs left.
Just like his wife
I like him as a footballer and a coach.
His personal life is sod all to do with me. He was an adulterer, I bet most pro footballers are and many people on this board are.
He's been accused of hitting his wife. Lets wait to see if he's guilty.
There's adultery and then there's sleeping with your brother's wife for 8 years. Smiling your way through all those family gatherings, their kids hanging out with Uncle Ryan, that's some cold heartedness I can't get my head around.
Also I believe it's headbutting his partner he's been accused of
Maybe they weren't a family like yours or mine so none of that had to happen. Maybe they wee madly in love and mulled over running off together and living happily ever after.
He was and still is IMO the best player to come out of Wales in my lifetime.
62 caps for a player with his talent and long career is pitiful. Gunter has over 30 more!!
He’s a rat..
I believe that there comes a point when shitness eclipses greatness. I think Giggs is getting there.
Also, you can come back from sporting failure. I don't think the same can be said for physically abusing women.
Even if he came to manage Cardiff City and got us into the Europa League , I don't think I'd ever feel entirely comfortable sharing such a happy moment with a fella like that.
Anthony Joshua seems to do alright.
Genuinely not sure what you're getting at here? Has Joshua hit women or something?
Playing devils advocate, would you say the same about Craig Bellamy?
Has Bellamy abused women? Nothing has been said or written regarding that, he supposedly bullied youngsters, but that was brought against him apparently by parent who didn’t like his son being dropped from the team. Nothing actually proved.
What about taking a golf club to a fellow professionals kneecaps? I suppose that’s ok because the victim was a man?
Bellamy was once alleged to have grabbed a woman by the throat in a city centre night club. Memory serves me well he was found ‘not guilty’.
Same thing could happen to Giggs.
Like I said, playing devils advocate.
If it wasn't clear from my original comment , what I said is dependent on him being found guilty of abusing his wife.
Regarding the affair with his brother's wife, that type of thing doesn't really concern me because adultery , no matter what the circumstances, is not a criminal offence. It is a private issue and I don't think this type of info should really be in the public domain. If everyone were judged on the same criteria in the tabloid media, very few of us would escape unblemished.
I take your point regarding innocence until proven guilty, if that was the original point you were making...... I'm not sure it was though.
What, better than Bale? - No way!
Giggs had pace, but Bale was another level. Bale could influence a game far greater than Giggs.
I agree, time was Giggs supporters could point to his medal collection as proof of being the better of the two, but I heard Nathan Blake reading out what Bale had won at Real Madrid and it no longer applies - he's won four Champions League winners medals and with at least of them, he had a major influence in deciding the outcome of the Final. Given Bale's attitude to his home country as well, he has to be, possibly, the best Wales player ever and definitely above Giggs.
An overhead kick goal no less….incredible really.
Where does the great John Charles sit in all this debate
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