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    Re: John Bercow defects to Labour.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jordi Culé View Post
    I always find it ironic that a libertarian has restricted our freedom and choice of working and living in the 27 closest countries to the UK.

    It's hilarious really.
    Well said.

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    Re: John Bercow defects to Labour.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jordi Culé View Post
    I always find it ironic that a libertarian has restricted our freedom and choice of working and living in the 27 closest countries to the UK.

    It's hilarious really.
    Agreed, but that doesn't explain why sludge always tries to use the word like an insult, the same way as he tries to use ballet opera and classical music.
    In his totalitarian society would those things be banned?

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    Re: John Bercow defects to Labour.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elwood Blues View Post
    and pigs might fly
    Better than half the crap they got in the party

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    Re: John Bercow defects to Labour.

    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    Agreed, but that doesn't explain why sludge always tries to use the word like an insult, the same way as he tries to use ballet opera and classical music.
    In his totalitarian society would those things be banned?
    Sludge's 'totalitarian society'?

    Really?

    Sludge has spent the last few months constantly arguing for a new governing party to be magicked up based on the Lib Dems, the right wing of the Labour Party, a few Greens and a few stray nationalists. Starmer's Labour (with the strings pulled by the old Blairite cabal) might have some Stalinist tendencies - but the whole package looks as far from totalitarianism as you can get.

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    Re: John Bercow defects to Labour.

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Not that many , the tory party is not the all encompassing church people like you think it is

    Mostly daft little englanders and brexit types

    Don't blame me when it all goes crackers

    If the opposition unites the tories will get blown out of the water , this country is crying out for a moderate alternative to the tories who will soon shit on those that voted them in . Its what they do

    The question is , will it the opposition parties in England unite ?

    Its the only way realistically now the Scottish nationalists have taken a shed load of labour seats

    I got pissed off with labour after a few years of Blair, his meddling in Iraq was a no no and the emergence from the other side of momentum and the likes of Diane Abbott .....someone put her to sleep please ....still hanging around means I am convinced now is the watershed time in British politics .

    Accept that the labour and Liberal parties are dead , attract moderate , left leaning tories like Sarah Wollaston , who is now without a party and get on with an alternative

    Boris , Gove , Patel , Hancock and the rest are right wing libertarian tosspots , they are a corrupt bunch of liars and any decent opposition would sort them out

    But we don't have one and until we do they can do what they like

    Starmer isn't the problem , his party in England and Scotland is the problem
    How can you possibly have a left leaning Tory? **** me sludge, check yourself, will you. A politician has to get to the centre before leaning to one side.

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    Re: John Bercow defects to Labour.

    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Sludge's 'totalitarian society'?

    Really?

    Sludge has spent the last few months constantly arguing for a new governing party to be magicked up based on the Lib Dems, the right wing of the Labour Party, a few Greens and a few stray nationalists. Starmer's Labour (with the strings pulled by the old Blairite cabal) might have some Stalinist tendencies - but the whole package looks as far from totalitarianism as you can get.
    I agree it does, but his continual using of 'libertarian' as an insult leads me to think his real politics are at the opposite end of the spectrum.
    He continually praises hard left wing policies and berate anyone with more money then he, and he slags off anyone who likes opera etc. as I said, assuming they're the idle rich, but when I lived in a divided Berlin the 'only' place to go to watch, see and listen to such things was communist East Berlin, where it was held up as an example of greatness of the regime, and entertainment for the masses. But I'm sure he won't let that affect his opinion.
    His call for cross party unity is only because its the only way he can see to get to a position where his version of the left can begin to change the policies to more totalitarian objectives. He has a long road in front of him
    I often mention some of the things he says to my wife and she says, "He's mad, he needs to live like that"

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    Re: John Bercow defects to Labour.

    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    I agree it does, but his continual using of 'libertarian' as an insult leads me to think his real politics are at the opposite end of the spectrum.
    He continually praises hard left wing policies and berate anyone with more money then he, and he slags off anyone who likes opera etc. as I said, assuming they're the idle rich, but when I lived in a divided Berlin the 'only' place to go to watch, see and listen to such things was communist East Berlin, where it was held up as an example of greatness of the regime, and entertainment for the masses. But I'm sure he won't let that affect his opinion.
    His call for cross party unity is only because its the only way he can see to get to a position where his version of the left can begin to change the policies to more totalitarian objectives. He has a long road in front of him
    I often mention some of the things he says to my wife and she says, "He's mad, he needs to live like that"
    libertarians are basically gun toting right wing idiots

    Of course its an insult

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    Re: John Bercow defects to Labour.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    How can you possibly have a left leaning Tory? **** me sludge, check yourself, will you. A politician has to get to the centre before leaning to one side.
    Ken Clarke , Heseltine , Wollaston , socially aware conservatives

    I wouldn't vote for that type of person but a lot of soft tories exist and if we have any chance of social democracy we need to attract those voters

    Otherwise we just stand on the side of the pitch

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    Re: John Bercow defects to Labour.

    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    you always use the word libertarian as if it is some kind of crime. does that mean you believe in the nanny state, intervention in every aspect of peoples lives and control of the masses?
    No

    But libertarians are idiots who use that very argument to attack moderate social Democrats

    Are you a libertarian ?

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    Re: John Bercow defects to Labour.

    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Sludge's 'totalitarian society'?

    Really?

    Sludge has spent the last few months constantly arguing for a new governing party to be magicked up based on the Lib Dems, the right wing of the Labour Party, a few Greens and a few stray nationalists. Starmer's Labour (with the strings pulled by the old Blairite cabal) might have some Stalinist tendencies - but the whole package looks as far from totalitarianism as you can get.
    Starmer isn't the problem

    The labour party and its factions and focus groups is the problem

    The opposition is divided

    Perfect for the tories

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    Re: John Bercow defects to Labour.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jordi Culé View Post
    I always find it ironic that a libertarian has restricted our freedom and choice of working and living in the 27 closest countries to the UK.

    It's hilarious really.
    I think the word libertarian, Boris and **** are one and the same

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    Re: John Bercow defects to Labour.

    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    I agree it does, but his continual using of 'libertarian' as an insult leads me to think his real politics are at the opposite end of the spectrum.
    He continually praises hard left wing policies and berate anyone with more money then he, and he slags off anyone who likes opera etc. as I said, assuming they're the idle rich, but when I lived in a divided Berlin the 'only' place to go to watch, see and listen to such things was communist East Berlin, where it was held up as an example of greatness of the regime, and entertainment for the masses. But I'm sure he won't let that affect his opinion.
    His call for cross party unity is only because its the only way he can see to get to a position where his version of the left can begin to change the policies to more totalitarian objectives. He has a long road in front of him
    I often mention some of the things he says to my wife and she says, "He's mad, he needs to live like that"
    You talk to your wife about Sludgey?

    Hello...

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    Re: John Bercow defects to Labour.

    Comments from defectors need to be taken with a pinch of salt of course; but I wonder how many life-long Tories will be disappointed that their party is so chaotic, has been able to mislead the Queen and Northern Ireland as part of aggressively furthering their agenda, and is acting like the over-reaching, money-wasting (specifically spending on unusable PPE) illiberal sort that they fear Labour are?

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    Re: John Bercow defects to Labour.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jordi Culé View Post
    You talk to your wife about Sludgey?

    Hello...
    if his wife is Eastern European and mid forties to mid fifties I am prepared to open talks with her

    Let's get round the table

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    Re: John Bercow defects to Labour.

    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post
    Comments from defectors need to be taken with a pinch of salt of course; but I wonder how many life-long Tories will be disappointed that their party is so chaotic, has been able to mislead the Queen and Northern Ireland as part of aggressively furthering their agenda, and is acting like the over-reaching, money-wasting (specifically spending on unusable PPE) illiberal sort that they fear Labour are?
    I don't think most of them give a toss , they are in power , can do what they want and the opposition is on its arse

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    Re: John Bercow defects to Labour.

    At last he has confirmed what his true beliefs are , blood coward not declaring before this , it fully explains his behaviour as speaker, which was supposed to be Impartial , this won't help Labour .

    His wife is no real socialist

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    Re: John Bercow defects to Labour.

    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    So apart from the fact that Labour and Conservatives don't take turns at being speaker, the voting records on electing a Speaker are unproven, that his seat was regularly contested by other parties whilst he was Speaker and he is not a Labour MP I couldn't agree more!
    Traditionally no one stands against the speaker in elections.

    From Wikipedia:
    On the resignation of Michael Martin in June 2009, Bercow stood successfully in the election to replace him as Speaker. As Speaker, he was obliged to leave the Conservative Party and remain as an independent for the duration of his tenure. He was re-elected unopposed at the commencements of the Parliaments in 2010, 2015 and 2017.[5] This made him the first Speaker since the Second World War to have been elected four times, as well as the first since then to have served alongside four Prime Ministers.[6][7] In September 2019, Bercow declared that he would stand down as Commons Speaker and MP on 31 October; he remained Speaker until being appointed to the Manor of Northstead on 4 November 2019.[8] Having served 10 years as Speaker, Bercow became the longest-serving Speaker since Edward FitzRoy."

    From the Parliament website:
    Speakers and general elections

    Speakers still stand in general elections. They are generally unopposed by the major political parties, who will not field a candidate in the Speaker's constituency. During a general election, Speakers do not campaign on any political issues but simply stand as 'the Speaker seeking re-election'.

    Will that do?

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    Re: John Bercow defects to Labour.

    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    Traditionally no one stands against the speaker in elections.

    From Wikipedia:
    On the resignation of Michael Martin in June 2009, Bercow stood successfully in the election to replace him as Speaker. As Speaker, he was obliged to leave the Conservative Party and remain as an independent for the duration of his tenure. He was re-elected unopposed at the commencements of the Parliaments in 2010, 2015 and 2017.[5] This made him the first Speaker since the Second World War to have been elected four times, as well as the first since then to have served alongside four Prime Ministers.[6][7] In September 2019, Bercow declared that he would stand down as Commons Speaker and MP on 31 October; he remained Speaker until being appointed to the Manor of Northstead on 4 November 2019.[8] Having served 10 years as Speaker, Bercow became the longest-serving Speaker since Edward FitzRoy."

    From the Parliament website:
    Speakers and general elections

    Speakers still stand in general elections. They are generally unopposed by the major political parties, who will not field a candidate in the Speaker's constituency. During a general election, Speakers do not campaign on any political issues but simply stand as 'the Speaker seeking re-election'.

    Will that do?
    There was I trying really hard not to take your posts seriously by having a little joke and yet you've gone all earnest on me. You couldn't colour code them so if someone wishes to respond they can strike the right tone could you?

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    Re: John Bercow defects to Labour.

    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    There was I trying really hard not to take your posts seriously by having a little joke and yet you've gone all earnest on me. You couldn't colour code them so if someone wishes to respond they can strike the right tone could you?
    That's a plan. I never thought of that. What coloured do you think? Red for serious, blue for humour (alleged humour and black for normal? Or would you suggest something else.
    But I'm not having beige or au de nil or any of that. That's right out.

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    Re: John Bercow defects to Labour.

    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    That's a plan. I never thought of that. What coloured do you think? Red for serious, blue for humour (alleged humour and black for normal? Or would you suggest something else.
    But I'm not having beige or au de nil or any of that. That's right out.
    Red for provocative, Green for humour, can't be having blue in these post-Manning days. Suggest white if you have a snowflakey moment!

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    Re: John Bercow defects to Labour.

    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    All this proves is that Bercow was, after all, always trying to deliberately block Brexit and the will of the people (as was Dominic Grieve). The words two faced and hypocritical come to mind. Labour are welcome to him.
    Oh yes .

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