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Thread: Scrap the group games next time

  1. #1

    Scrap the group games next time

    These group games are not living up to expectation. Get 32 teams on the board in a straight knockout, with both teams trying to win. Italy made 8 changes against Wales which devalues the competition. Last night , Belgium were already through, and were trying to walk the ball in, and be too clever. For us fans in our armchairs , it makes you want to change channels. As for kicking off at the same time, the authorities must be very naive if they think the teams donít know whatís going on in the other group game. Itís about time this competition had a new format in future.

  2. #2

    Re: Scrap the group games next time

    Quote Originally Posted by Ivortheengine View Post
    These group games are not living up to expectation. Get 32 teams on the board in a straight knockout, with both teams trying to win. Italy made 8 changes against Wales which devalues the competition. Last night , Belgium were already through, and were trying to walk the ball in, and be too clever. For us fans in our armchairs , it makes you want to change channels. As for kicking off at the same time, the authorities must be very naive if they think the teams donít know whatís going on in the other group game. Itís about time this competition had a new format in future.
    Or just go back to the old elite version with 16 teams; top two through. I always preferred the euros because England aside, there were rarely crap teams in it.

    Would we have qualified for 2016 or 2020 had they been 16-team tournaments?

  3. #3

    Re: Scrap the group games next time

    Quote Originally Posted by Ivortheengine View Post
    These group games are not living up to expectation. Get 32 teams on the board in a straight knockout, with both teams trying to win. Italy made 8 changes against Wales which devalues the competition. Last night , Belgium were already through, and were trying to walk the ball in, and be too clever. For us fans in our armchairs , it makes you want to change channels. As for kicking off at the same time, the authorities must be very naive if they think the teams donít know whatís going on in the other group game. Itís about time this competition had a new format in future.
    No.

    2016 groups were largely poor, but this time around there have been a number of great games.
    The format has meant that there are almost no teams with nothing to play for going into their last game.
    In 2016 it was ruined a bit by lots of teams playing not to lose and progress with 3 draws, but this time around the bigger teams have mostly been able to break down the teams that are set up to defend, meaning those teams have had to go for a win in their subsequent games.

    I wouldn't want a straight knockout - lose your first game and that's it, at least with a group you have a couple of weeks of interest in the tournament at the worst

  4. #4

    Re: Scrap the group games next time

    Would never happen.

    Far too much money to be made with this format, albeit under the guise it allows the lesser teams the chance to make a major finals tournament.

    Hope we've seen the last of multi-hosts though!

  5. #5

    Re: Scrap the group games next time

    You get mediocre games because teams are generally happy with a draw in the first game. However it makes the rest of the games better with those teams going for a win.
    16 teams is too few, as youd get the same teams getting through each time and 32 (knockout or groups) is too many.
    The current format is not ideal, but the most practical.

  6. #6

    Re: Scrap the group games next time

    How can anyone witness the noise, the colour the passion of fans of Austria, Ukraine, Denmark last night and think that's something not deserving of being at the tournament?

  7. #7

    Re: Scrap the group games next time

    If there were no group games this time, Germany would have been on their way home

  8. #8

    Re: Scrap the group games next time

    Ive enjoyed this tournament and last nights games. I dont like the 3rd best out of 4 qualifying though.

  9. #9

    Re: Scrap the group games next time

    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post
    If there were no group games this time, Germany would have been on their way home
    presumably the draw would be seeded like Wimbledon so the big boys miss each other until the later rounds

  10. #10

    Re: Scrap the group games next time

    Yes to 32 teams but no to scrapping the group stage. I think this format of 4 losers (3rd place) out of 6 qualifying for the knock outs is dreadful. Why didn't they just go for 8 groups of 4 with the top 2 going through?

    And for anyone saying there aren't enough quality teams to stretch to 32, do we honestly believe the likes of Serbia, Republic of Ireland, Norway, Bulgaria, Rumania etc. are any worse than North Macedonia, Hungary and Russia?

  11. #11

    Re: Scrap the group games next time

    Also i think the nostalgia for straight head to head games is misplaced, most of those games (thinking European cup/champions league) were just as crap.

  12. #12

    Re: Scrap the group games next time

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    presumably the draw would be seeded like Wimbledon so the big boys miss each other until the later rounds
    The draw was seeded

  13. #13

    Re: Scrap the group games next time

    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post
    The draw was seeded
    It was but thatís not his point. If seedings were in place France would most likely have been #1. Theyíd have played the 24th seed, which wouldnít have been Germany

  14. #14

    Re: Scrap the group games next time

    It's a terrible idea for travelling fans. Imagine all that build up, going all the way to another country, and it's just for one game.

    The problem is not groups, it's that there are so many games just to eliminate a third of the sides. 24 teams is not a good number for this style of tournament.

    It should be 16 or 32 teams. 32 is obviously too much for Europe.

  15. #15

    Re: Scrap the group games next time

    Quote Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanton View Post
    It was but that’s not his point. If seedings were in place France would most likely have been #1. They’d have played the 24th seed, which wouldn’t have been Germany
    Ah, he’s speaking hypothetically

  16. #16

    Re: Scrap the group games next time

    Quote Originally Posted by MacAdder View Post
    Would never happen.

    Far too much money to be made with this format, albeit under the guise it allows the lesser teams the chance to make a major finals tournament.

    Hope we've seen the last of multi-hosts though!
    It's not just about money, though, is it? The football hŗs been mostly good, and we like watching football.

  17. #17

    Re: Scrap the group games next time

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    It's a terrible idea for travelling fans. Imagine all that build up, going all the way to another country, and it's just for one game.

    The problem is not groups, it's that there are so many games just to eliminate a third of the sides. 24 teams is not a good number for this style of tournament.

    It should be 16 or 32 teams. 32 is obviously too much for Europe.
    I would agree for the 2016 tournament, but I think it has worked well this time. lots of teams going for it and very few with nothing to play for even up to the last game.

    Even Scotland can still qualify.

    I actually prefer this one to the usual groups of 4 with 2 to qualify

  18. #18

    Re: Scrap the group games next time

    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post
    Ah, he’s speaking hypothetically
    You were speaking hypothetically when you said "if there were no group games"

  19. #19

    Re: Scrap the group games next time

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    You were speaking hypothetically when you said "if there were no group games"
    No, I was answering his quote “scrap the group games”

    So he/she, not only want to scrap the group games, they want to restructure the whole competition draw

  20. #20

    Re: Scrap the group games next time

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    I would agree for the 2016 tournament, but I think it has worked well this time. lots of teams going for it and very few with nothing to play for even up to the last game.

    Even Scotland can still qualify.

    I actually prefer this one to the usual groups of 4 with 2 to qualify
    Yeah wouldn't really argue with that. I'm not really sure where the OP hatred comes from.

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