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Thread: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?

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    Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?

    Following on from the Flynn suggestion ive been waiting for this one.

    No is the answer.

  2. #22

    Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?

    God no.

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    Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    Why do players playing in the 'false 9' role wear the number 9 shirt?
    They're masquerading as a 9, but its all false!

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    Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?

    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBlue View Post
    At least he realised it wasn't working and decided to bring Keiffer on.
    He said post match that he had had no intention of playing Moore, and when we went down to 10 men he only eventually brought him on because his coaches told him to. He didn't want to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IICt-tGoTtg

    Tifo football (think they're part of The Athletic family) talking our tactics against Italy between 33:30-39:30 here.

    The comment at 37:30 is relevant for this thread. Though I do think Page is backed up by some really good staff.
    Interesting and mostly intelligent stuff. But I could get past why the bloke who spoke the most sense has his laptop covered in stickers. What's up with that?

  6. #26

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBlue View Post
    Interesting and mostly intelligent stuff. But I could get past why the bloke who spoke the most sense has his laptop covered in stickers. What's up with that?
    Actually, that's inaccurate. I could get past it. I just thought it was strange.

  7. #27

    Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?

    [QUOTE='False 9', fecks sake.. who does he think he is, Pep?[/QUOTE]


  8. #28

    Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    You’re not seriously giving him the credit for the nations league games?


    Since he started putting his own stamp on things Wales have had one victory in 5 against the worst team in the tournament. Only under public pressure has he started with Kieffer Moore this tournament, it was not his intention.

    Anyone who thinks playing Chris Gunter a left sided centre half against the Italians needs a good shoeing.

    Taking Dan James straight off after we equalised against the Swiss was another diabolical decision.
    Yes i am giving Page credit for making sure we won our Nations League group with its promotion into the top tier and chance of qualifying for the next World Cup which went with it. Bizarrely, I can only ever remember you being supportive of Neil Harris among City and Wales managers of the recent past, but, if a Wales boss you rated had done the same as Page did in the Nations League, I don't think you'd be as quick to write it off.

    Scotland's latest failure to qualify from the group stages of a major competitions Finals gives a good opportunity to put some perspective on what Rob Page (and Chris Coleman who also had his critics among Welsh fans) have achieved in the last two Euros. Jock Stein and Alex Ferguson are among the managers who have been unbale to achieve for Scotland what Page and Coleman have done for Wales.

    You can have a go at individual decisions (I'm definitely not a fan of Wales playing with a "false" number nine) as much as you like, but the bigger picture is that Page got us through a tough group in which I'm pretty sure we had to do more travelling than any other side in the competition and I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up playing our games at the highest average temperature of the twenty four sides.

    Page might not make a good City manager, but he has been an effective and successful one for Wales.

  9. #29

    Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?

    It is an achievement what hes done. But lets be honest. We were fortunate to get a point against Switzerland and very fortunate not to be totally hammered v Italy.

    We are so reliant on Bale and Ramsey being on the top of their game.

    Im concerned with a manager who picks Chris Gunter , selects a Luton reserve and thinks Rodon/Mepham is a superb partnership.

    Saying that ive no idea really how good Page is.

    City had stick off some for our 2nd half display v Swansea despite restricting them to 1 short on target and creating the best chance. Whereas Wales get a free pass being dominated by Italy in 3rd gear and even subbing their keeper.

  10. #30

    Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    It is an achievement what hes done. But lets be honest. We were fortunate to get a point against Switzerland and very fortunate not to be totally hammered v Italy.

    We are so reliant on Bale and Ramsey being on the top of their game.

    Im concerned with a manager who picks Chris Gunter , selects a Luton reserve and thinks Rodon/Mepham is a superb partnership.

    Saying that ive no idea really how good Page is.

    City had stick off some for our 2nd half display v Swansea despite restricting them to 1 short on target and creating the best chance. Whereas Wales get a free pass being dominated by Italy in 3rd gear and even subbing their keeper.
    Isn't the point that, once the decision to exclude Davies and Mepham had been made, you only had a choice out of Gunter and Cobango - I would have gone with the latter, but Gunter has not got one hundred and two caps for no reason, he's one of those players who seems able to make the jump to international football easier than you would think and I think you can count the number of really poor games he's had for Wales on the fingers of one hand. As for the Luton reserve, once it had been decided Ampadu was going to start in defence and Ramsey in a more advanced position, his selection makes more sense when you consider that the realistic alternatives were someone who played for Doncaster Rovers last season or someone who couldn't get in the Istra 1961 first team.

    Finally, is your Italy/Swansea comparison a fair one? Italy, even with all of those changes, were better than virtually anyone else in the tournament , Swansea are a good Championship side with a few limitations - City were booting the ball up the pitch to no one in the second half at the Liberty despite, unlike wales, having eleven players on the pitch for the last thirty five minutes of the match.

  11. #31

    Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    It is an achievement what hes done. But lets be honest. We were fortunate to get a point against Switzerland and very fortunate not to be totally hammered v Italy.

    We are so reliant on Bale and Ramsey being on the top of their game.

    Im concerned with a manager who picks Chris Gunter , selects a Luton reserve and thinks Rodon/Mepham is a superb partnership.

    Saying that ive no idea really how good Page is.

    City had stick off some for our 2nd half display v Swansea despite restricting them to 1 short on target and creating the best chance. Whereas Wales get a free pass being dominated by Italy in 3rd gear and even subbing their keeper.
    The Swiss had a tough travel itinerary, Baku, Rome then back to Baku, some air miles there. The Turks although later having two ‘home’ games were unfortunate to have the dubious honour of opening the tournament in Rome, seemed to knock the stuffing() out
    of them immediately. Great achievement to qualify though given we were most probably the 4th fancied team in our group.

  12. #32

    Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Isn't the point that, once the decision to exclude Davies and Mepham had been made, you only had a choice out of Gunter and Cobango - I would have gone with the latter, but Gunter has not got one hundred and two caps for no reason, he's one of those players who seems able to make the jump to international football easier than you would think and I think you can count the number of really poor games he's had for Wales on the fingers of one hand. As for the Luton reserve, once it had been decided Ampadu was going to start in defence and Ramsey in a more advanced position, his selection makes more sense when you consider that the realistic alternatives were someone who played for Doncaster Rovers last season or someone who couldn't get in the Istra 1961 first team.

    Finally, is your Italy/Swansea comparison a fair one? Italy, even with all of those changes, were better than virtually anyone else in the tournament , Swansea are a good Championship side with a few limitations - City were booting the ball up the pitch to no one in the second half at the Liberty despite, unlike wales, having eleven players on the pitch for the last thirty five minutes of the match.
    Yes the Swansea comparison isnt really fair ability wise. However they were going all out for the equaliser im not convinced Italy broke sweat.

    My point is City get stick for that 2nd half performance when really it was a superb defensive effort in a game we should have wrapped up in the 1st.

  13. #33

    Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?

    Not really. He hasn’t achieved very much yet. Got away with it against the Swiss, if Turkey had a decent centre forward, they would have won. Then, got beaten by Italy’s reserve team, who also should have scored more. This Saturday at 7pm Wales will be on the plane back to Rhodes airport and Denmark will be in to the last 8. That’s the difference.Anyone who thinks Wales are favourites for this one, better think again.

  14. #34

    Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?

    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBlue View Post
    Interesting and mostly intelligent stuff. But I could get past why the bloke who spoke the most sense has his laptop covered in stickers. What's up with that?
    Thank you for having a look. I noticed us having a flat four instead of a striker until Moore came on but caught up in the emotion of it too much to see what our defensive strategy behind this might be.

    Regarding stickers, maybe trying to access the youth market?

    UEFA seeded Denmark 15th before the draw which in theory makes it our easiest game so far with Turkey seeded 14th, but I think FIFA's current rank of Denmark at 10th in the world and 7th in Europe is probably more accurate. It's a tough game on the weekend but hopefully we win and I can watch it back unscathed to see what our strategy is for this game.

  15. #35

    Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ivortheengine View Post
    Not really. He hasn’t achieved very much yet. Got away with it against the Swiss, if Turkey had a decent centre forward, they would have won. Then, got beaten by Italy’s reserve team, who also should have scored more. This Saturday at 7pm Wales will be on the plane back to Rhodes airport and Denmark will be in to the last 8. That’s the difference.Anyone who thinks Wales are favourites for this one, better think again.
    Italy’s reserve team, bit dismissive, doubt there’s much between a football nation like Italy’s 11 best footballers and the next best 11 footballers. Hardly the ragged arse rovers.

  16. #36

    Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?

    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post
    Thank you for having a look. I noticed us having a flat four instead of a striker until Moore came on but caught up in the emotion of it too much to see what our defensive strategy behind this might be.

    Regarding stickers, maybe trying to access the youth market?

    UEFA seeded Denmark 15th before the draw which in theory makes it our easiest game so far with Turkey seeded 14th, but I think FIFA's current rank of Denmark at 10th in the world and 7th in Europe is probably more accurate. It's a tough game on the weekend but hopefully we win and I can watch it back unscathed to see what our strategy is for this game.
    Thanks for posting it. I'll watch them again.

  17. #37

    Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?

    Wonder what Mr Hartley would make of that remark from "the bloke who spoke the most sense" about Rob Page being "really smart"?

    Thought the bloke who described himself as a smart arse was bang on about English refs.

  18. #38

    Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Wonder what Mr Hartley would make of that remark from "the bloke who spoke the most sense" about Rob Page being "really smart"?

    Thought the bloke who described himself as a smart arse was bang on about English refs.
    Eh?

  19. #39

    Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Yes i am giving Page credit for making sure we won our Nations League group with its promotion into the top tier and chance of qualifying for the next World Cup which went with it. Bizarrely, I can only ever remember you being supportive of Neil Harris among City and Wales managers of the recent past, but, if a Wales boss you rated had done the same as Page did in the Nations League, I don't think you'd be as quick to write it off.

    Scotland's latest failure to qualify from the group stages of a major competitions Finals gives a good opportunity to put some perspective on what Rob Page (and Chris Coleman who also had his critics among Welsh fans) have achieved in the last two Euros. Jock Stein and Alex Ferguson are among the managers who have been unbale to achieve for Scotland what Page and Coleman have done for Wales.

    You can have a go at individual decisions (I'm definitely not a fan of Wales playing with a "false" number nine) as much as you like, but the bigger picture is that Page got us through a tough group in which I'm pretty sure we had to do more travelling than any other side in the competition and I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up playing our games at the highest average temperature of the twenty four sides.

    Page might not make a good City manager, but he has been an effective and successful one for Wales.
    Wrong. I was supportive of Coleman and Giggs, especially Giggs. What he has done bringing the youngsters through and qualifying at the first attempt is nothing short of remarkable.

    As for the comparison to Jock Stein and Alex Ferguson that doesnt deserve a really I am afraid.

  20. #40

    Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    Wrong. I was supportive of Coleman and Giggs, especially Giggs. What he has done bringing the youngsters through and qualifying at the first attempt is nothing short of remarkable.

    As for the comparison to Jock Stein and Alex Ferguson that doesnt deserve a really I am afraid.
    So Giggs is praised for getting us to the finals of a competition and Page isn't for taking us a stage further?

    The only comparison I'm making between Rob Page and Chris Coleman and Jock Stein and Alex Ferguson is that the first two have done something that the other two couldn't with what were arguably stronger squads than the Welsh ones - apart from my voicing an opinion about the relative strengths of those squads, the rest of what I say if factual surely?

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