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Thread: Seems Mainly UK Sides Taking The Knee

  1. #41

    Re: Seems Mainly UK Sides Taking The Knee

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Its not as simple as that . I will shop a racist but not everyone can and many people feel extremely intimidated by a big lump and his mate using racist language .
    And there in lies one of the problems. If a fellow white person feels intimidated by a racist, then imagine how the intended victim/victims feel?
    Iím not expecting a small guy to tackle a couple of brutes. There will be many others in the vicinity who will hear it. Self policing is the only way to get the ball rolling.

  2. #42

    Re: Seems Mainly UK Sides Taking The Knee

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    It may piss off racists, but a lot of Black folk aren’t too enamoured with it either.
    I personally know at least a dozen people of all ethnicities, that i’ve grown up around, and aren’t racist, but find it a bit of a hollow gesture.
    I think it would have had more clout, if it had been originated by a white sportsman.
    You can’t beat racism out of a person. Until we can look each at each other and see another person and not a colour, racism will thrive.
    Instead of players feeling emotionally forced into taking the knee, the real racists in the crowds, and on the pitch should be emptied for ever from the game.
    There are plenty of racists who attend sporting events, but keep it to themselves, but the ones who are vociferous about it have to be immediately identified and bombed out.
    I don't know if the end point is to get to somewhere where we don't see colour but if we jump to that now, and to use really simplistic and therefore probably somewhat inaccurate terms, it means that people who have been abused are treated with no more empathy than the abusers. There are people who have definitely progressed their standings in life by promoting racism and people who have definitely been held back because of racism so we cannot jump to not seeing colour. On the flips side, some people abused will not want to be defined by being abused at all and would be insulted if you impose that on them.

    Taking the knee seems to go on for less than 30 seconds. It's a flawed gesture for how little it achieves in itself and yet here we are again speaking about racism and, for some of us, being encouraged to become more aware of how people not like ourselves have experienced the world. The gesture has had some effect, though it has also meant others have closed themselves off from becoming more aware.

    I would agree that on basis of probability it's likely there are some who have taken the knee who haven't thought about racism at all and some who have done it who cling to racist viewpoints. As I said, flawed gesture.

    One of the statements we hear is no one is born a racist. To me, that means any of us are capable of it and need to be on guard to challenge the behaviour whether that's in others or ourselves and that the most dangerous people are the ones intelligent enough to know it's wrong, and may or may not honestly hold those views themselves, but chose to promote/amplify it/spread it because of how it advances them personally: the teachers of racism.

  3. #43

    Re: Seems Mainly UK Sides Taking The Knee

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    And there in lies one of the problems. If a fellow white person feels intimidated by a racist, then imagine how the intended victim/victims feel?
    Iím not expecting a small guy to tackle a couple of brutes. There will be many others in the vicinity who will hear it. Self policing is the only way to get the ball rolling.
    It takes a lot of bollocks to walk up to a bone head spouting racist abuse

    I have done it several times and its squeaky bum and butterflies time

    Is this muppet going to back down or is he going to have a swing , I don't need that

    I nowadays go to the stewards who get the cctv on them and have a quiet word as its often your word against theirs but if several people have pointed out the offender the stewards and police normally go in

  4. #44

    Re: Seems Mainly UK Sides Taking The Knee

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    It takes a lot of bollocks to walk up to a bone head spouting racist abuse

    I have done it several times and its squeaky bum and butterflies time

    Is this muppet going to back down or is he going to have a swing , I don't need that

    I nowadays go to the stewards who get the cctv on them and have a quiet word as its often your word against theirs but if several people have pointed out the offender the stewards and police normally go in
    Good on you Sludge. There should be more folk willing to do that.

  5. #45

    Re: Seems Mainly UK Sides Taking The Knee

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    Good on you Sludge. There should be more folk willing to do that.
    Its quite scary though

    I mean its all very well being anti racist but there are racist cowards who shut up when you confront them and lunatics who are convinced they are right , are active racists and happy to stick one on you if you question them

  6. #46

    Re: Seems Mainly UK Sides Taking The Knee

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    This was never about changing committed racists, that cannot be achieved short of putting a bullet in them. This campaign was designed to reduce and eventually eradicate racism in younger generations. Rome wasn't built in a day
    Agreed. It's a long-run issue.

    Perversely, the anti-knee gang are actually raising the profile of BLM. Clever racists would have ignored taking the knee but then they're as rare as elm tunnels.

  7. #47

    Re: Seems Mainly UK Sides Taking The Knee

    Quote Originally Posted by az city View Post
    Agreed. It's a long-run issue.

    Perversely, the anti-knee gang are actually raising the profile of BLM. Clever racists would have ignored taking the knee but then they're as rare as elm tunnels.
    I would say that Black folk continually killing other black folk on the streets of Britain and the USA for no other reason than rag colour is lowering the profile of BLM.

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