Reply With QuoteOk lets see how it plays out.Originally Posted by Shrewsbury Blue
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All of them have said they have no intentions of following suit but presumably as a moaning remainer you interpret having no intentions of following suit to mean will quickly follow suit.
Ok lets see how it plays out.
£112 for a family of four users for a fortnight. That's cheap.
I'm not really sure there is any point in arguing about the quantum. Obviously, any amount is worse than the previous position for Brits.
I would be pretty pissed off to have a £112 bill for roaming charges suddenly hit at the end of a holiday
I agree. And even if it was only a fiver- it's still worse than pre Brexit. That's the point I'm making. It doesn't become a non-issue if it's just a few quid.
Another one of those "have your cake and eat it" scenarios?
By my understanding of things, if you use a phone abroad you would likely use another company's signal. Under a common trade agreement as we had as members of the EU, it was decided that you could use a mobile within a fair usage policy on someone else's network. Now, if as part of Brexit negotiations, it was agreed to keep this, then great. It wasn't. As far as I know, there was an agreement on both sides that, if roaming charges were reintroduced, they should be reasonable.
The UK could have whatever laws it wants. It could ban roaming charges completely. Maybe mobile providers that operate in the UK would happily allow their networks to be used abroad, where they exist. However, there are plenty of mobile providers in Europe that don't operate in the UK and they would be free to charge what they want to piggyback on those networks, as long as it is reasonable. If those network operators chose to up their prices, UK operators might be forced to stop Brits using those networks. UK law wouldn't have any say in what foreign mobile operators do or charge.
I don't see wanting a decent deal as 'having your cake and eating it'. I think it was perfectly reasonable to expect the negotiators on both sides to try and incorporate as many 'easy wins' as they could. It would have benefited eu citizens aswell as British citizens.
As for the roaming charges themselves. Admittedly I'm going slightly on guess work here, but ive always imagined that the major part of the cost paid by the consumer was due to a hefty markup by their provider. Rather than the wholesale rates between suppliers themselves being high. The relatively cheap fixed price deals for roaming in virtually all countries would suggest that the wholesale rates aren't to high.
UK legislation can stop your supplier gouging you with a massive markup. If problems do arise because of high wholesale prices in a particular area , then obviously thats a different matter that would need to be addressed as and when it happens
Indeed it is, i didnt read all the article
Customers travelling to the 47 affected European destinations will also be able to buy 30-day passes for £10 to use their home tariff abroad
lets be honest, a 10'er for a 1 or 2 week holiday isnt a game changer, though i expect people will still moan
as LoM pointed out, its also £10 for 30 days
Customers travelling to the 47 affected European destinations will also be able to buy 30-day passes for £10 to use their home tariff abroad
£40 for a family of 4 for a fortnight
but surely you would research the costs of roaming with your mobile and then make the choice to use the phone or not
it becomes closer to a non-issue as its only a few quid, you could of course put your phone in airplane mode and just use free wifi in the hotel etc etc
I used to pop my sim card out as i got on the plane to avoid roaming charges
Guess how much the (marginal) cost of allowing free roaming is?as LoM pointed out, its also £10 for 30 days
Customers travelling to the 47 affected European destinations will also be able to buy 30-day passes for £10 to use their home tariff abroad
£40 for a family of 4 for a fortnight
Zero. That's right, zero.
How can anyone be ok with being charged GBP 40 for something that was free and costs providers nothing to allow?
Brexit - the idiocy that goes on and on.
Some people are ok with marginal losses.
"It's only this", "it's only that"
More marginal losses all add up, but individually they seem small. But some people are ok with that.
that certainly doesn't sound like an improvement
Perhaps folk could just boycott EE for being greedy bastards!
It's also worth noting that Three and O2 have both reduced the amount you can use abroad under "fair usage" policies.
It might cost zero extra, so maybe the anger should be taken out on EE, dont renew contracts, maybe go with a company that doesnt charge roaming fee's
You have a option, pay it and use your mobile as you were at home, or dont pay it and use wifi to stay in touch with people back home
Brexit - The chance for the losers to moan and moan.
what a novel idea
But
Some people are ok with moaning about the smallest of things,
"Moan about this", "moan about that"
We all know the glass 1/2 empty type, never happy, But we accept some people are like that.
£2 a day / £10 for 30 days
Legitimately. We are all losers - that is the point. It was a bad idea and a bad decision and we all have to pay the price for the ignorance of a small majority. We've every right to moan. Roaming charges is just a small part of it. Guess what it costs a UK merchant to process a credit card payment from an EU customer post-brexit? 5 times more than it used to. Guess what it costs an EU merchant to accept a card payment from a UK customer? 5 times more than it used to.
Do you have any idea what is going to happen when businesses here are going to need fuller customs clearances from Oct? Do you know how many pieces of a information a standard truck delivering produce to a supermarket will need? And even if they get it right 99.9% of the time - you are looking at a significant proportion of trucks being delayed by about a day, taking a day off the shelf life. These are real consequences for important sectors and we will all suffer for it.
The bad consequences of Brexit are everywhere. It is going to affect us all for the worse, and I still cannot see any benefits (realised or potential) that come close to balancing out the downsides.
[QUOTE=Optimistic Nick;5213221]Legitimately. We are all losers - that is the point. It was a bad idea and a bad decision and we all have to pay the price for the ignorance of a small majority. QUOTE]
is that the same 51.89% who voted for Brexit ? ? ? or were only the deciding 3.78% ignorant
[QUOTE=blue matt;5213427]Supermarket shelves empty whatever time of day or week you go, much less fruit, much less veg, prices creeping up and 100,000 shortage of drivers. Add on the extra delays for goods coming via ports, stories of food producers literally dumping their food, fishermen dumping their catches in the sea, and an extra cost for anyone that has the audacity to use a phone in Europe and it is clear that 51.89% were completely ignorant to these facts - all of which were brought up during the referendum.
But, when one can boast about having £10k burning a hole in one's pocket, I suspect that one sees an extra cost as something that is not a problem.
It's all about immigration. People voted to keep the immigrants out. Of course, it was pointed out that a lot of immigrants do work that British people don't. For example, fruit picking where applications have slumped by 90%, and no it isn't because of covid.
[QUOTE=blue matt;5213427]The 51.89% obviously. In what world would 3.78% be a small majority?
When we all return to work after Covid, the calamitous impact of Brexit will be more visible. Where is the upside? Even the entirely token "victories" that were won, such as the fishing quota and free trade, have turned out to be defeats. UK fishermen are much worse off (just ask them); we've got a free trade agreement, but the requirements at borders are a bigger issue in many industries anyway - they often place insurmountable costs on certain businesses or products so we will see those businesses stop trading or reducing product lines/choice.
If anybody voted for Brexit in expectation of these sorts of issues then they are idiots. If anyone voted for it without bothering to understand what it would mean, or actually believing Farage's "they will crumble" bullsh!t, then they are ignorant. Basic politics tells you that the EU or the other Member States would never let this be anything other than a painful mistake for the UK, and that is what it is.
Looking at my options it’s going to be $10 per day.
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