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    Gower Salt Marsh Lamb has been given the protected status because of its specific breeding requirements happy times for 3,500 Welsh Marsh lambs , it will mean that it has a unique status , we could see this for other types of specialised unique to UK only protected status products .

    If your within the EU It was possible for a few products to have a unique status a lot were not i.e. Gower Salt Marsh Lamb.

    Lets see if this leads to more .

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Gower Salt Marsh Lamb has been given the protected status because of its specific breeding requirements happy times for 3,500 Welsh Marsh lambs , it will mean that it has a unique status , we could see this for other types of specialised unique to UK only protected status products .

    If your within the EU It was possible for a few products to have a unique status a lot were not i.e. Gower Salt Marsh Lamb.

    Lets see if this leads to more .
    I've heard of salt marsh lamb, but never gower salt marsh lamb as anything specifically different.
    Not sure what this really means, that someone rearing salt marsh lamb somewhere else can't call it "gower salt marsh lamb"? why would the want to?
    this probably effects one or two farmers on the Gower

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    I've heard of salt marsh lamb, but never gower salt marsh lamb as anything specifically different.
    Not sure what this really means, that someone rearing salt marsh lamb somewhere else can't call it "gower salt marsh lamb"? why would the want to?
    this probably effects one or two farmers on the Gower
    Yes its unique to the UK which is the wider issue and opportunity .

    There is about 3,500 lambs that the specific vegetation and environment of the salt marshes on the north Gower coastline makes it unique.

    These are not jack lambs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Perhaps you can explain how the UK government can tell phone companies to keep scrapping roaming charges when we are no longer in the EU?
    ye those lying phone companies who told us that roaming would not return ,I'm sure some legislation is heading down the line as we can control that now .

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    ye those lying phone companies who told us that roaming would not return ,I'm sure some legislation is heading down the line as we can control that now .
    As long as you are sure, that's fine. I can't speak for everyone else, but I for one can relax now that I know you are sure that fantasy legislation is coming in to undo this.

    What about frictioness trade? Are they going to legislate for that too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    ye those lying phone companies who told us that roaming would not return ,I'm sure some legislation is heading down the line as we can control that now .
    till then you will have to pay £10 for 30 days

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    till then you will have to pay £10 for 30 days
    At an individual level it's obviously not a gamechanger in isolation, but it is one of a huge number of small reductions in the quality of life/increase in cost of life that are a direct consequence of a small majority of ignorant people being too stupid or lazy to figure out what they were voting for. I can just as easily trivialise at an individual level the scale of whatever you think you were escaping by voting for Brexit.

    I suspect that despite the widely reported issues that we all face because Brexit many (including you ) are completely blind to what is happening. And there has been absolutely nothing that I can see to balance out any of the damage done.

    Find a positive. Nobody else has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimistic Nick View Post

    I suspect that despite the widely reported issues that we all face because Brexit many (including you ) are completely blind to what is happening. .
    Oh I an see changes, i can see the cost of living has risen, i can see produce missing from the shelves ( though that is partly due to lack of drivers by all accounts ) in the grand scheme of life, The roaming charges dont really bother me, and i certainly understand moaning about it on a football message board will not alter it

    will we have worse times before they get better, it was never going to be easy sailing, we are also in a pandemic, so lets see what pans out, i will certainly be making the most of life, not fretting about roaming charges of £10 for 30 days if i holiday in europe

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    Quote Originally Posted by az city View Post
    You surely are not serious? One of the few things? Literally, OMG.
    It's like being at a lib dem meeting !

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisp_1927 View Post
    It's like being at a lib dem meeting !
    Have a gander at this:

    https://what-europe-does-for-me.eu/en/portal

    Quite a lot of admirable things on there, no?

    Tell me what Westminster has done for Wales in the last 1,000 years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Perhaps you can explain how the UK government can tell phone companies to keep scrapping roaming charges when we are no longer in the EU?
    By updating UK law was my suggestion. It appears that has been done in terms of limiting roaming charges to £45 a month, seems like quite a high figure to me.



    The other option of course, would have been for both sets of negotiators to look after their citizens and include it in the trade deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisp_1927 View Post
    By updating UK law was my suggestion. It appears that has been done in terms of limiting roaming charges to £45 a month, seems like quite a high figure to me.



    The other option of course, would have been for both sets of negotiators to look after their citizens and include it in the trade deal.
    Another one of those "have your cake and eat it" scenarios?

    By my understanding of things, if you use a phone abroad you would likely use another company's signal. Under a common trade agreement as we had as members of the EU, it was decided that you could use a mobile within a fair usage policy on someone else's network. Now, if as part of Brexit negotiations, it was agreed to keep this, then great. It wasn't. As far as I know, there was an agreement on both sides that, if roaming charges were reintroduced, they should be reasonable.

    The UK could have whatever laws it wants. It could ban roaming charges completely. Maybe mobile providers that operate in the UK would happily allow their networks to be used abroad, where they exist. However, there are plenty of mobile providers in Europe that don't operate in the UK and they would be free to charge what they want to piggyback on those networks, as long as it is reasonable. If those network operators chose to up their prices, UK operators might be forced to stop Brits using those networks. UK law wouldn't have any say in what foreign mobile operators do or charge.

  13. #13

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    when we say its roaming charges, its not like the old days with silly costs

    its £2 a day to have roaming ( as you were in the UK with your home allowances / costs etc )

    So a 7 day break to Europe, would cost you a extra £14 to use your phone as you would at home
    £112 for a family of four users for a fortnight. That's cheap.

  14. #14

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanD View Post
    £112 for a family of four users for a fortnight. That's cheap.
    I'm not really sure there is any point in arguing about the quantum. Obviously, any amount is worse than the previous position for Brits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimistic Nick View Post
    I'm not really sure there is any point in arguing about the quantum. Obviously, any amount is worse than the previous position for Brits.
    I would be pretty pissed off to have a £112 bill for roaming charges suddenly hit at the end of a holiday

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    I would be pretty pissed off to have a £112 bill for roaming charges suddenly hit at the end of a holiday
    but surely you would research the costs of roaming with your mobile and then make the choice to use the phone or not

    Quote Originally Posted by Optimistic Nick View Post
    I agree. And even if it was only a fiver- it's still worse than pre Brexit. That's the point I'm making. It doesn't become a non-issue if it's just a few quid.
    it becomes closer to a non-issue as its only a few quid, you could of course put your phone in airplane mode and just use free wifi in the hotel etc etc

    I used to pop my sim card out as i got on the plane to avoid roaming charges

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    but surely you would research the costs of roaming with your mobile and then make the choice to use the phone or not



    it becomes closer to a non-issue as its only a few quid, you could of course put your phone in airplane mode and just use free wifi in the hotel etc etc

    I used to pop my sim card out as i got on the plane to avoid roaming charges
    that certainly doesn't sound like an improvement

  18. #18

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanD View Post
    £112 for a family of four users for a fortnight. That's cheap.
    as LoM pointed out, its also £10 for 30 days

    Customers travelling to the 47 affected European destinations will also be able to buy 30-day passes for £10 to use their home tariff abroad

    £40 for a family of 4 for a fortnight

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    Re: roaming charges

    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    as LoM pointed out, its also £10 for 30 days

    Customers travelling to the 47 affected European destinations will also be able to buy 30-day passes for £10 to use their home tariff abroad

    £40 for a family of 4 for a fortnight
    Guess how much the (marginal) cost of allowing free roaming is?

    Zero. That's right, zero.

    How can anyone be ok with being charged GBP 40 for something that was free and costs providers nothing to allow?

    Brexit - the idiocy that goes on and on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by az city View Post
    Guess how much the (marginal) cost of allowing free roaming is?

    Zero. That's right, zero.

    How can anyone be ok with being charged GBP 40 for something that was free and costs providers nothing to allow?

    Brexit - the idiocy that goes on and on.
    Some people are ok with marginal losses.

    "It's only this", "it's only that"

    More marginal losses all add up, but individually they seem small. But some people are ok with that.

  21. #21

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    Quote Originally Posted by az city View Post
    Guess how much the (marginal) cost of allowing free roaming is?

    Zero. That's right, zero.

    How can anyone be ok with being charged GBP 40 for something that was free and costs providers nothing to allow?

    Brexit - the idiocy that goes on and on.
    It might cost zero extra, so maybe the anger should be taken out on EE, dont renew contracts, maybe go with a company that doesnt charge roaming fee's

    You have a option, pay it and use your mobile as you were at home, or dont pay it and use wifi to stay in touch with people back home

    Brexit - The chance for the losers to moan and moan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post

    Brexit - The chance for the losers to moan and moan.
    Legitimately. We are all losers - that is the point. It was a bad idea and a bad decision and we all have to pay the price for the ignorance of a small majority. We've every right to moan. Roaming charges is just a small part of it. Guess what it costs a UK merchant to process a credit card payment from an EU customer post-brexit? 5 times more than it used to. Guess what it costs an EU merchant to accept a card payment from a UK customer? 5 times more than it used to.

    Do you have any idea what is going to happen when businesses here are going to need fuller customs clearances from Oct? Do you know how many pieces of a information a standard truck delivering produce to a supermarket will need? And even if they get it right 99.9% of the time - you are looking at a significant proportion of trucks being delayed by about a day, taking a day off the shelf life. These are real consequences for important sectors and we will all suffer for it.

    The bad consequences of Brexit are everywhere. It is going to affect us all for the worse, and I still cannot see any benefits (realised or potential) that come close to balancing out the downsides.

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    Re: roaming charges

    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    Brexit - The chance for the losers to moan and moan.
    Why do the Brexiters want to constantly refer to Remainers as "losers" and complaining that they "moan"? That's playground bullying BS. It isn't helping the UK heal one little bit. It's pouring rocket fuel on the fires of the Scottish, Irish and Welsh independence movements in case you (Billy Brits) hadn't noticed.

    (For the record, I'm an American and couldn't vote in the referendum.)

  24. #24

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    I would be pretty pissed off to have a £112 bill for roaming charges suddenly hit at the end of a holiday
    I agree. And even if it was only a fiver- it's still worse than pre Brexit. That's the point I'm making. It doesn't become a non-issue if it's just a few quid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Another one of those "have your cake and eat it" scenarios?

    By my understanding of things, if you use a phone abroad you would likely use another company's signal. Under a common trade agreement as we had as members of the EU, it was decided that you could use a mobile within a fair usage policy on someone else's network. Now, if as part of Brexit negotiations, it was agreed to keep this, then great. It wasn't. As far as I know, there was an agreement on both sides that, if roaming charges were reintroduced, they should be reasonable.

    The UK could have whatever laws it wants. It could ban roaming charges completely. Maybe mobile providers that operate in the UK would happily allow their networks to be used abroad, where they exist. However, there are plenty of mobile providers in Europe that don't operate in the UK and they would be free to charge what they want to piggyback on those networks, as long as it is reasonable. If those network operators chose to up their prices, UK operators might be forced to stop Brits using those networks. UK law wouldn't have any say in what foreign mobile operators do or charge.
    I don't see wanting a decent deal as 'having your cake and eating it'. I think it was perfectly reasonable to expect the negotiators on both sides to try and incorporate as many 'easy wins' as they could. It would have benefited eu citizens aswell as British citizens.


    As for the roaming charges themselves. Admittedly I'm going slightly on guess work here, but ive always imagined that the major part of the cost paid by the consumer was due to a hefty markup by their provider. Rather than the wholesale rates between suppliers themselves being high. The relatively cheap fixed price deals for roaming in virtually all countries would suggest that the wholesale rates aren't to high.

    UK legislation can stop your supplier gouging you with a massive markup. If problems do arise because of high wholesale prices in a particular area , then obviously thats a different matter that would need to be addressed as and when it happens

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