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https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...0007E3161FDF3D
Even Dr Fauci is now flip flopping , wonder if he did have connections with the Wuhan lab ?? 🤔
And done deliberately
I've beveled it all along. Done to destabalise the westOriginally Posted by Cleve van Leef
What's the logic behind those beliefs? The article makes it sound like Democrats are following Fauci when he says it's worth investigating (but might never know for sure) and fringe Republicans are hoping something they long pushed to make a talking point starts to have evidence to back it up.
I can be open to the idea of an accidental lab leak but that is just far fetched that it was deliberate.
I'd agree totally with that , sadly extracting the truth from a totalitarian country is a task too far.
Where did you see that?
Don’t know if it was deliberate but reckon it came via the l@b in wuhan too. Apparently there are elements of the virus that have never been seen in any coronavirus before, or that it had been deliberately mutuated but parts of it can only have been manufactured or something….. Saw this on a documentary a few months ago.
so basically americans as the title states regardless of their political leaning.
then there's the little point of believable evidence where it came from.
Nice attempt at twisting things. A SURVEY says more Americans believe in the lab-leak theory. End of. Because some people believe something, it doesn't make it true. Propagating conspiracy theories ought to be a criminal offence.
If this is true, a couple of things occur to me. First, shouldn't "the west" have been more aware of what China was planning? Second, it makes the virtual ignoring of this report;-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Cygnus
by the UK Government of the time even more appalling.
The search for scapegoats from abroad makes no difference to the facts - the UK, and many other "advanced" countries, were caught completely on the hop by Covid when there had been plenty of warnings, some of them going back ten years and more of what could be coming.
Exactly. We don't know where it came from. Hence, it's "worth investigating". Hardly inflammatory or conclusive is it?
Something to do with strings of amino acids, I think. In Covid 19 there are strings of 4 - something which doesn't occur in nature. Let's face it, the evidence is overwhelming. Chinese scientists fleeing to the West to tell the world, other Chinese scientists disappearing, bio-security that is non-existent, and a virus that originates down the road from the lab in Wuhan. Scientist had their zeitgeist period, but fortunately those who were ridiculed are now able to put their head above the parapet as others come round to the same opinion..
This article is the best I've read on this issue.
https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-...-box-at-wuhan/
Great article.
Whoever or how still points to China .
You just won't stop.
Never heard of the author or the organization publishing this before but I'll put the illogical fallacy around that to one side.
To quote the author in this very piece, there is "no direct evidence" to support any theory circulating.
What is indisputable is the existence of zoonosis. So humanity being prepared for more zoonotic events wherever they occur is the important point here.
Without evidence, blaming China (a la Trump) is sinophobia.
What is clearly a comedy rant by a COMEDIAN is evidence? Come on, man.
I read most of that, very long, article and it was pretty persuasive even if parts of it were much too technical for me. The writer's Wikipedia entry is interesting;-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Wade
because, if nothing else, it shows he has upset the scientific community in the past and it might be said he has something of an agenda.
This article by an award winning writer on Science debunks Wade's conclusions
https://www.forbes.com/sites/startsw...h=32ed37b45585
and, again, seems pretty convincing, but, rather like the first article, it is too technical really for me and, I would guess, for the overwhelming majority of of people on here.
What I would say is that if you take away all of the specialised stuff, the theory that the virus was man made rather than occurred naturally appears to be based to a large degree on the close proximity between where it first occurred and a laboratory specialising in coronaviruses. For me, this seems a hard situation to argue against, but I come back to what I said in my first message in this thread - it seems impossible for the most powerful countries in the rest of the world not to have had any notion of what China was. allegedly, up to and yet their response indicates that they didn't.
On the other hand, Wade alleges that Americans, and I suppose scientists from other countries, colluded with the Chinese in creating the virus.
For me, this part of the Forbes article rings truest;-
"But the second reason is truly chilling: the reason so many people have died is because of a global political failure to respond appropriately."
For me Nicolas Wade is better qualified than John Stewart to make a statement on this serious matter.
https://youtu.be/x_mxRWEc10g
His reasonable argument is very well set out in a very intelligentway
Please listen to it ,it's the best (non political) discussion I've heard ,explains a lot
No one has proof but lab leak is by far the more very reasoned argument.
Wuhan is a key world wide investigation Covid lab.
Fauci invested in it's work ( for the good of the world) and Dr Shi Zhengli was working on other Covid viruses.
I'm sure the Chinese virologist were doing their best to get ahead of what might become a threat and happen anyway, sadly something went wrong .
It's very sad the Chinese government could not allowed an independent investigation body into Wuhan early on to show an openness and desire to let the world know how this happened .
Why?
The fact they didn’t let them investigate it properly at the start will always make them look guilty. It’s gone on to another level now mind. It will only take a new variant that escapes the vaccines and everything is phucked again, chance are this will happen at some point particularly here in the uk where our government appears useless.
Some of the comments are really disheartening.
18,643 views on Turning Point USA youtube channel.
6,086,862 views on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert youtube channel for the same interview.
Controversial and fringe Republican youtube channel and comments.
It took 15 years to find how SARS transferred naturally from Bats to Humans so we may have to wait a while to find out and we may never know how the virus made the jump.
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