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Thread: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens

  1. #141

    Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens

    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    He's not a lot different to Kieffer in that regard

    It's good when he's playing for you
    Kieffer gets booked for jumping, Kane throws himself to the floor with regularity and for once the ref didn't buy it. I'm sure we'll hear all about Italian cheating, but some of England's play acting was absurd

  2. #142

    Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens

    This may actually be a bit harsh but I do find this malarkey of immediately removing the runners-up medal a bit ostentatious. As if it has to be immediately shown to everybody that the players were there to win.

    Appreciate they're disappointed but having having accepted all the plaudits for getting there I think a bit more dignity could be shown after losing to a better team. See Wimbledon runners-up for instance.

  3. #143

    Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens

    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    He's not a lot different to Kieffer in that regard

    It's good when he's playing for you
    Youíre very wrong about Moore.

  4. #144

    Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens

    Quote Originally Posted by Baloo View Post
    This may actually be a bit harsh but I do find this malarkey of immediately removing the runners-up medal a bit ostentatious. As if it has to be immediately shown to everybody that the players were there to win.

    Appreciate they're disappointed but having having accepted all the plaudits for getting there I think a bit more dignity could be shown after losing to a better team. See Wimbledon runners-up for instance.
    Not harsh at all, in fact it is spot on.

    Not an ounce of humility, it's petulance and arrogance.

    Why should people feel proud of their achievements when none of them felt pride themselves.

    I would feel embarrassed if I was their parent.

  5. #145

    Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens

    As soon as England lost there would be questions on negative selection.

    Foden walks into the Italian team. Doesnt even kick the ball in the final. England have better strikers who didnt even make the plane than Immobile and Belotti.

    Grealish Sancho Saka etc all bit part players.

    The Italians deserved the win , England have had a superb tournament and been edged out. We will never know what would have happened if say theyd played 1 DM and added another attacking player.

  6. #146

    Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens

    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    As soon as England lost there would be questions on negative selection.

    Foden walks into the Italian team. Doesnt even kick the ball in the final. England have better strikers who didnt even make the plane than Immobile and Belotti.

    Grealish Sancho Saka etc all bit part players.

    The Italians deserved the win , England have had a superb tournament and been edged out. We will never know what would have happened if say theyd played 1 DM and added another attacking player.
    Ahead of who? One of the players of the tournament in Chiesa? Insigne who's had a wonderful season with Napoli? Serie A winner Barella?

    English teams and players are hugely overhyped. Foden's a good player but he doesn't "walk into" the best team at the tournament. Had England been on the other side of the draw they'd have been knocked out well before the final

  7. #147

    Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    4 inches the other way ......

    Sounds like a decent film that .

  8. #148

    Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens

    Quote Originally Posted by City123 View Post
    Ahead of who? One of the players of the tournament in Chiesa? Insigne who's had a wonderful season with Napoli? Serie A winner Barella?

    English teams and players are hugely overhyped. Foden's a good player but he doesn't "walk into" the best team at the tournament. Had England been on the other side of the draw they'd have been knocked out well before the final
    Fair point on the players you mention all top quality.

    If Foden was Italian I think axing Immobile and playing Insigne through the centre improves them.

  9. #149

    Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens

    Quote Originally Posted by Des Parrot View Post
    I agree with this. They had the right talent, skills & opportunities but never used them.
    .
    I thought Italy looked edgy for most of the 1st half. They had decent possession after the 1st 20 minutes or so, but didn't look at all confident. I'm sure England could have got a second if they kept up their high intensity/attacking game, but they just sank back into their shell. In my mind England don't have a weakness when it comes to individual players, but they lacked character, bottle. In the end, the better team won.

  10. #150

    Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens

    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    As soon as England lost there would be questions on negative selection.

    Foden walks into the Italian team. Doesnt even kick the ball in the final. England have better strikers who didnt even make the plane than Immobile and Belotti.

    Grealish Sancho Saka etc all bit part players.

    The Italians deserved the win , England have had a superb tournament and been edged out. We will never know what would have happened if say theyd played 1 DM and added another attacking player.
    England had a very good tournament but they played 6 out of 7 games at home and despite this failed to beat a top 10 nation in normal time. While rankings flawed, no way Czechia should be ranked FIFA's 40th best side, officially they played against as many sides in FIFA's 40s as the top 10, beat a Croatia side not as good as they were 3 years ago, a Germany side not as good as they were 5 years ago and a Ukraine side with top players injured in a round too far for them.

    Performances were very good, attitude was very good but it's surely a bit much to say they had a superb tournament?

    Italy beat 3 teams in the top 10 (1 in normal time), beat 2 teams ranked 10-20 (same as England) and beat the the 2 teams they played ranked 20-30. They didn't face anyone outside top 30 and had a much better tournament overall.

  11. #151

    Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens

    Quote Originally Posted by City123 View Post
    Ahead of who? One of the players of the tournament in Chiesa? Insigne who's had a wonderful season with Napoli? Serie A winner Barella?

    English teams and players are hugely overhyped. Foden's a good player but he doesn't "walk into" the best team at the tournament. Had England been on the other side of the draw they'd have been knocked out well before the final
    I watched the start of one of those Match of the Day programmes where Alan Shearer and Micah Richards rank ten candidates with Gary Lineker having a casting vote if needed this morning. It was made before the tournament started and the subject was candidates to be Player of the competition. Foden was on the shortlist and maybe he might have lived up to such a billing if his shot had not rebounded back into play off the inside of a post after just five minutes of the opening match with Croatia, but it didn't and that seemed to sum up the next few weeks for him - with the comparisons with 1966 that the media are so fond off, I suppose it could be said that Foden was a little bit like Jimmy Greaves in 1966.

    Despite all of the plaudits and the hype, I'm not wholly convinced by the much of the spine of the England team - Pickford doesn't seem as error prone playing for England as he is with Everton mind and Kane has added a new dimension to his game this season which I believe now makes him one of the best in the world in his position, but central defence and central midfield? I'm not sure.

  12. #152

    Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens

    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    As soon as England lost there would be questions on negative selection.

    Foden walks into the Italian team. Doesnt even kick the ball in the final. England have better strikers who didnt even make the plane than Immobile and Belotti.

    Grealish Sancho Saka etc all bit part players.

    The Italians deserved the win , England have had a superb tournament and been edged out. We will never know what would have happened if say theyd played 1 DM and added another attacking player.
    Foden was injured

  13. #153

    Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    I watched the start of one of those Match of the Day programmes where Alan Shearer and Micah Richards rank ten candidates with Gary Lineker having a casting vote if needed this morning. It was made before the tournament started and the subject was candidates to be Player of the competition. Foden was on the shortlist and maybe he might have lived up to such a billing if his shot had not rebounded back into play off the inside of a post after just five minutes of the opening match with Croatia, but it didn't and that seemed to sum up the next few weeks for him - with the comparisons with 1966 that the media are so fond off, I suppose it could be said that Foden was a little bit like Jimmy Greaves in 1966.

    Despite all of the plaudits and the hype, I'm not wholly convinced by the much of the spine of the England team - Pickford doesn't seem as error prone playing for England as he is with Everton mind and Kane has added a new dimension to his game this season which I believe now makes him one of the best in the world in his position, but central defence and central midfield? I'm not sure.

    Maybe it’s better movement, but I find Ingurlish players, play better with their foreign teammates alongside them (club football)

    This is and always will be their problem, fantastic players at club level, mediocre at international level.

    Kane is a cheat

  14. #154

    Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    If they lose there will be carnage all over England tonight. A full day on the piss and more disappointment will be the catalyst for major disorder.
    "Euro 2020: Warning over spikes in domestic abuse during England matches | The Independent" https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...64404.html?amp

    You'd think it was only after Wales rugby matches if you read this board, but England football fans as well...

  15. #155

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    Quote Originally Posted by dembethewarrior View Post
    "Euro 2020: Warning over spikes in domestic abuse during England matches | The Independent" https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...64404.html?amp

    You'd think it was only after Wales rugby matches if you read this board, but England football fans as well...
    and England rugby fans, and old firm football fans, and people who go to office Christmas parties.
    the problem is related to alcohol rather than the event.

  16. #156

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    and England rugby fans, and old firm football fans, and people who go to office Christmas parties.
    the problem is related to alcohol rather than the event.
    Yes, that's what the article basically says.

  17. #157

    Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    and England rugby fans, and old firm football fans, and people who go to office Christmas parties.
    the problem is related to alcohol rather than the event.
    Black Friday anyone?

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  19. #159

    Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens

    They've really shit the bed with this final, crap performance and quite rightly getting absolutely slated by all media today for the fans behaviour... predictable twats.. Rio Ferdinand - never want to hear that guys opinions on anything ever again!

  20. #160

    Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens

    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    As soon as England lost there would be questions on negative selection.

    Foden walks into the Italian team. Doesnt even kick the ball in the final. England have better strikers who didnt even make the plane than Immobile and Belotti.

    Grealish Sancho Saka etc all bit part players.

    The Italians deserved the win , England have had a superb tournament and been edged out. We will never know what would have happened if say theyd played 1 DM and added another attacking player.
    England did not have a superb tournament
    They had barely any travelling apart from one game which was against a team who were out on their feet after playing extra time in the last 16.
    They had a final at home against a team who had some injuries to key players and had to beat Belguim and Soain to get there.
    Apart from 20 minutes at the start of the match they were clearly the better team
    Phil Foden does not walk into their team
    He is a good player but really is over hyped

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