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Which is similar to what he did at Spurs for most of the season. But his partnership with Son was brilliant, particularly in the first two thirds of the season. He wasn't bringing Mount, Saka or Sterling into the game this time. I don't think it was a world class performance.Originally Posted by The Bloop
Feel sorry for Southgate, the decent players in the England squad ......which is the ones who don't dive and the decent , ordinary England fans especially young kids who were probably in tears .
But shearer , that bloody guy Mowbray, the press and the hangers on can all naff right off
Kane , Grealish etc are diving ponces always trying to kid the ref, as is sterling
Kane is a con artist always looking for a free kick , he's a cheat
He's not a lot different to Kieffer in that regard
It's good when he's playing for you
You’re very wrong about Moore.
All this talk of England's approach, isn't the truth that Italy won because they had slightly better players and were the slightly better side?
Right from their first game when they demolished a much fancied Turkish team, Italy have looked the best team in the tournament to me with the only doubt being whether they could maintain what was a high intensity pressing game. The answer to that question was kind of I suppose, because they were not as physically dynamic as the tournament came into its closing stages, but they had the ability to cope with that and more.
I'm glad England lost, but the time when us non English brits will have to put up with them winning a tournament could well be not too far away, although I do wonder if Rice and Phillips have it in them to be influential players at the very top level of the international game.
Feel very sorry for those who missed penalties with the good thing being I suppose that no single player has to carry the can like Southgate had to in 1996. I wouldn't be too critical of those who didn't want to be among the first five penalty takers because the first requirement surely is that the taker has to feel fairly comfortable about being under such intense pressure, but having the teenager Saka down as fifth on the list does look odd given that it is so often the most crucial penalty of the lot.
I think it's a bit of both. Italy deservedly took the trophy and were the better side. But a better tactician than Southgate would have reacted after the first 10 minutes of the second half, when it was becoming obvious that Mancini was pinning his wingbacks.
England's advantage was speedy, tricky players (they have them coming out of their ears in this squad) against an Italian defence that was experienced but not young. The centreback partnership had an average age of 35. But although the game was a draw, the Italians had twice as much possession and took three times as many shots.
In the group stage, England seemed to finish every game with only two or three shots on target, but did a lot better in the quarters and semis. Overall, and in the final, I think it's fair to say that England didn't make the most of the area where they were strongest.
Particularly bearing in mind said centre-backs were also both on yellow cards for a large part of the game.
Don’t think Southgate should have waited until the end if extra time to bring rashfird and sancho on, Italy’s old centre backs were tiring and they were under no pressure second half, in fact Italy were all over them. He changed nothing until it was too late. Sterling was quiet and saka not great…..A missed opportunity
He was the reason they lost. Southgate negativity got what it deserved.
I agree with this. They had the right talent, skills & opportunities but never used them.
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I thought Italy looked edgy for most of the 1st half. They had decent possession after the 1st 20 minutes or so, but didn't look at all confident. I'm sure England could have got a second if they kept up their high intensity/attacking game, but they just sank back into their shell. In my mind England don't have a weakness when it comes to individual players, but they lacked character, bottle. In the end, the better team won.
No the truth was Southgate was the difference. Not good enough and tactically inept. He cost England this game.
To be fair rashford hit the post , it was a good penalty that beat the keeper
4 inches the other way ......
If you do that, you have to hit the target. That's the absolute minimum.
Yea but 4 inches to the left and he would have missed even further.
Ref needed some praise yesterday letting game flow and no nonsense on going down easily
Kieffer gets booked for jumping, Kane throws himself to the floor with regularity and for once the ref didn't buy it. I'm sure we'll hear all about Italian cheating, but some of England's play acting was absurd
This may actually be a bit harsh but I do find this malarkey of immediately removing the runners-up medal a bit ostentatious. As if it has to be immediately shown to everybody that the players were there to win.
Appreciate they're disappointed but having having accepted all the plaudits for getting there I think a bit more dignity could be shown after losing to a better team. See Wimbledon runners-up for instance.
Not harsh at all, in fact it is spot on.
Not an ounce of humility, it's petulance and arrogance.
Why should people feel proud of their achievements when none of them felt pride themselves.
I would feel embarrassed if I was their parent.
As soon as England lost there would be questions on negative selection.
Foden walks into the Italian team. Doesnt even kick the ball in the final. England have better strikers who didnt even make the plane than Immobile and Belotti.
Grealish Sancho Saka etc all bit part players.
The Italians deserved the win , England have had a superb tournament and been edged out. We will never know what would have happened if say theyd played 1 DM and added another attacking player.
Ahead of who? One of the players of the tournament in Chiesa? Insigne who's had a wonderful season with Napoli? Serie A winner Barella?
English teams and players are hugely overhyped. Foden's a good player but he doesn't "walk into" the best team at the tournament. Had England been on the other side of the draw they'd have been knocked out well before the final
I watched the start of one of those Match of the Day programmes where Alan Shearer and Micah Richards rank ten candidates with Gary Lineker having a casting vote if needed this morning. It was made before the tournament started and the subject was candidates to be Player of the competition. Foden was on the shortlist and maybe he might have lived up to such a billing if his shot had not rebounded back into play off the inside of a post after just five minutes of the opening match with Croatia, but it didn't and that seemed to sum up the next few weeks for him - with the comparisons with 1966 that the media are so fond off, I suppose it could be said that Foden was a little bit like Jimmy Greaves in 1966.
Despite all of the plaudits and the hype, I'm not wholly convinced by the much of the spine of the England team - Pickford doesn't seem as error prone playing for England as he is with Everton mind and Kane has added a new dimension to his game this season which I believe now makes him one of the best in the world in his position, but central defence and central midfield? I'm not sure.
Maybe it’s better movement, but I find Ingurlish players, play better with their foreign teammates alongside them (club football)
This is and always will be their problem, fantastic players at club level, mediocre at international level.
Kane is a cheat
They made the semis of the last World Cup and lost the final of the euros on penalties. They aren’t perfect but they are a lot better than mediocre.
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