Taking The Knee To Continue ?

[xsnaggle]

These prussians........are we talking about the men who formed much of hitlers nazi elite and generals ?

Adolf Hitler , that GERMAN nazi ?

Sounds like these prussians were about as German as you can get 😉

Adolg Hitler wasn't German!

[lardy]

So you would call Luca Modric Yugoslavian and not Croatian, would you?

Aww no reply

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Just found this statement about Mr Marx https://www.britannica.com/biography...russels-period

"He was expelled from France and left for Brussels—followed by Engels—in February 1845. That year in Belgium he renounced his Prussian nationality."

[the other bob wilson]

Thought provoking stuff from David Conn;-

https://www.theguardian.com/football...land-euro-2020

[Feedback]

Aww no reply

Croatia was part of Yugoslavia before it broke up.

[Feedback]

I wish I'd followed your advice earlier.... just after his reference to 'irredentism' showed where the thread was going.

Did it? Where did you think it was going?

In the 19th century there was no standard German language, with many different dialects and varieties. Plaatdeutsch/nedersachsen is an altogether different language spoken today by millions.

Even today parts of Germany have different identities: Borussia Dortmund, Bayern Munich....

[jon1959]

Did it? Where did you think it was going?

In the 19th century there was no standard German language, with many different dialects and varieties. Plaatdeutsch/nedersachsen is an altogether different language spoken today by millions.

Even today parts of Germany have different identities: Borussia Dortmund, Bayern Munich....

You are just doubling down.

No one is disputing that Marx was born in Prussia - and that was his nation state until he was expelled or renounced it.

What I (and others) are saying is that he was a German citizen/subject of Prussia. When NYCBlue said Marx was German he was 100% correct. You have chosen to dispute that with ever more convoluted deep dives into Wiki. 'German' was and is an identity that describes someone from Germany and speaking German (whether a united state after 1871 or after the collapse of East Germany, or whether 39 politically separate states under the Holy Roman Empire or the German Confederation). It was an identity used by and understood by people inside and outside Germany at the time of Marx's birth.

But to get back to the starting point, critics of taking the knee who allege it is Marxist (or that the US BLM organisation is Marxist) in the main do so without the slightest understanding of what they mean by Marxism. Even worse they are often the ones who bang on about something they call 'cultural Marxism' which is (I think) a meaningless confection invented by former revolutionary communists (the Revolutionary Communist Party that went on a rightward journey through Living Marxism and Wired to the Brexit Party with Claire Fox and others) to confuse and mislead people. They succeeded.

[Feedback]

You are just doubling down.

No one is disputing that Marx was born in Prussia - and that was his nation state until he was expelled or renounced it.

What I (and others) are saying is that he was a German citizen/subject of Prussia. When NYCBlue said Marx was German he was 100% correct. You have chosen to dispute that with ever more convoluted deep dives into Wiki. 'German' was and is an identity that describes someone from Germany and speaking German (whether a united state after 1871 or after the collapse of East Germany, or whether 39 politically separate states under the Holy Roman Empire or the German Confederation). It was an identity used by and understood by people inside and outside Germany at the time of Marx's birth.

But to get back to the starting point, critics of taking the knee who allege it is Marxist (or that the US BLM organisation is Marxist) in the main do so without the slightest understanding of what they mean by Marxism. Even worse they are often the ones who bang on about something they call 'cultural Marxism' which is (I think) a meaningless confection invented by former revolutionary communists (the Revolutionary Communist Party that went on a rightward journey through Living Marxism and Wired to the Brexit Party with Claire Fox and others) to confuse and mislead people. They succeeded.

Marx wasn't German, he was Prussian. He identified as Prussian in the same way Cromwell identified as English, not British.

Even today many of those in Germany identify as being Prussian, Bavarian, Hessian in the same way we identify as being Welsh, English etc.

The standard German we know today did not exist in the 19th century.

[lardy]

Croatia was part of Yugoslavia before it broke up.

But his nationality was Yugoslavian. So he must always be Yugoslavian throughout his life, yes?

[Feedback]

But his nationality was Yugoslavian. So he must always be Yugoslavian throughout his life, yes?

He was Croatian and yugoslavian at birth (as both existed) and following the dissolution of yugoslavia, just Croatian.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Adolg Hitler wasn't German!

Germania then

Austrian , a germania country , spent most of his life in Germany 🇩🇪

He certainly wasn't a scouser

[Feedback]

Germania then

Austrian , a germania country , spent most of his life in Germany 🇩🇪

He certainly wasn't a scouser

Actually, Austria being south of the rhine and danube, wasn't germania. Austria was Illyrium.

[Hilts]

This is starting to remind me of David Brent in the quiz episode when Brent keeps going back and for reading up on information.

[Elwood Blues]

Germania then

Austrian , a germania country , spent most of his life in Germany ����

He certainly wasn't a scouser

But his half brother Alois lived in Liverpool for a time (Toxteth) and Hitler allegedly came to live in Liverpool for 6 months before WW1, although that is probably an Urban myth.

[dembethewarrior]

This is starting to remind me of David Brent in the quiz episode when Brent keeps going back and for reading up on information.

One hell of a Google off

[NYCBlue]

Actually, Austria being south of the rhine and danube, wasn't germania. Austria was Illyrium.

Let's just see if Feedback can throw a shoe over a pub and then close this thread.

[ToTaL ITK]

let's see if we can keep to the subject in the title instead of some of your wembley sized ego's getting in the way

[Feedback]

Let's just see if Feedback can throw a shoe over a pub and then close this thread.

Let's remember that this particular strand of the thread was started by you criticising someone for their apparent incorrect use of the term "marxist", and in the same sentence made the incorrect claim Marx was German.

[jon1959]

Let's remember that this particular strand of the thread was started by you criticising someone for their apparent incorrect use of the term "marxist", and in the same sentence made the incorrect claim Marx was German.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

I think that the biggest question about nationality and Marx is:
How come Chico spoke with a heavy Italian accent whereas as Groucho didn't?

[dembethewarrior]

Let's remember that this particular strand of the thread was started by you criticising someone for their apparent incorrect use of the term "marxist", and in the same sentence made the incorrect claim Marx was German.

You could have ignored it and left the thread on subject. You didn't

[Feedback]

You could have ignored it and left the thread on subject. You didn't

I found it ironic that NYC Blue was quick to criticise yet was economical with his own facts.

[dembethewarrior]

I found it ironic that NYC Blue was quick to criticise yet was economical with his own facts.

That's what triggered you into 400 googled essay replies?

[Feedback]

That's what triggered you into 400 googled essay replies?

Googled?

It's called memory old fruit.

[ToTaL ITK]

sooo...about taking the knee in support of generations of slavery?