Reply With QuoteCollins?Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
Bagan was so far out of position Giles manages to get closer to the Barnsley winger before he shoots. That is Giles the winger getting closer than the apparently not out of position Bagan.
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You're the one who started comparing footballers at different ends of the footballing spectrum.
Robertson and Bagan indeed.
Any chance you could post a link to a goal where Robertson is as far out of position as Bagan was yesterday to prove your comparison point?
Collins?
Bagan was so far out of position Giles manages to get closer to the Barnsley winger before he shoots. That is Giles the winger getting closer than the apparently not out of position Bagan.
Im pretty sure if Robertson was out of position like that then Alison saves that shot comfortably.
Cracking save 1st half but Phillips should be saving that
Phillips should save it but doesn't.
He should not be getting a clear shot off though for the reasons given above. Somebody should at least be in with some chance of getting goal side. Very poor goal to concede.
If Bagan is dragged in field like that without any of the back three seemingly spotting the danger either then it is a worry.
It was their centre-back who scored. He started his run about 20 yards inside their half.
Bagan was marking his opposite wing-back (their number 7).
Giles is number 26 and got nowhere near the goal scorer. It was Collins who chased back.
He took up the position of a winger. My mistake.
And it is Collins that I thought was Giles but it doesn't change me point.
A striker reacting to the movement of an opposition player down the wing more than a wing back on that side? Does that seem right to you?
I'm all for looking after your man but if he wants to go into the centre he is somebody else's man. Let him go. If Bagan does this he defends the goal better. He is out of position and should be alive to players, whatever their position, coming down his flank.
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I think the keeper has to take some of the blame for the goal, shouldn't have been beaten from a shot from there.
I'm not sure I agree on how high up the pitch he is.
Him being 5 yards inside the Barnsley half following his man and a good 15 yards ahead of our deepest defenders (as well as being so far infield) effectively makes up the Barnsley man's mind to make the run and also makes the ball played to him the obvious one. It creates acres of space. If Bagan let's the winger go for his wander, sits a little deeper and further to the sideline then it puts doubt in the head of the man making the run and isn't such an obvious ball. He might even cut it out if it is played.
I agree on the learning from the mistake though.
I can't think this won't be something obvious that they work on from the game video given the manner of the goal. As you say if he sees that situation unfold again and is more disciplined in holding a better position then that's all you can ask.
Does anyone know what Bacuna's role was at Groningen where he scored most of his goals? He's scored 3 for us in 95 apparently but I honestly can't remember any of them. I think Mick's got this one wrong and it needs to stop or there'll be tears.
Hopefully we'll start with more than 2 offensive minded players in future games and Bacuna should never play in that position ever again. He's a defensive midfielder and will never be an attack minded one.
However the blame lands squarely on McCarthy not Bacuna as he picks and sets up the team.
it seems he's always been a bit of a utility player, even back to his time at Groningen.
they did play him as an attacking midfielder at times
There's a whole host of errors that led to that goal, just blaming Bagan is unfair imo. Yes, he's followed his man inside (probably too far), but had he kept his width then odds are people would complain at Bagan's man being given too much space in midfield. For some reason Bacuna had vacated the left flank which allowed such a huge run, hence Collins being the one chasing back. Pack, our experience sitting midfielder, decided to go on a mad rampage and was miles out of position (this seems to be a feature of our play, I don't really get why we send the slow midfielder to close down, but whatever), leaving an ocean of space behind him which McGuinness (I think) went to fill. Suddenly Barnsley have acres of space. Flint & Nelson, being the experienced defenders they are, probably should have shuffled across to fill the space but didn't. What was particularly infuriating is that Barnsley took an age to play the ball wide and half the Canton Stand were screaming for someone to fill the huge gap in our defence, but it just didn't happen. It was really poor by the whole team and probably indicative of a team who haven't properly practiced pressing as a team, they're all over the place.
On the other hand, it was very clever play from Barnsley to pull us onto them like that, create a gap and exploit it, but it was far too easy.
I rate Bacuna too. As you say though, he's a midfielder. And quite a competent one at this level.
I thought he played very well. It's should imagine it's pretty hard to find a pass when everyone turns their back and runs away. No one is making themselves available. If one of our players wins the ball in midfield, it immediately gets lumped upfield into a channel. If we're lucky, there might be someone there. If we're very lucky, that player might be aware of what's coming. And if we're luckier still they might even get the ball.
Ralls found Bacuna with one pass yesterday. I just hate this hook it in the air malarkey before they even think to bring the ball down to control it. Its not that he hasn't got a pass, he doesn't know if he has yet as the ball never gets brought into his control to look for a pass, he just hooks it upfield. Saw it a number of times.
Remember going at Gunnar for doing the same against Derby in the promotion year, all it did was lose us the ball. It riles me.
As you say, a host of errors. But why the **** didn't Nelson try to make a play on that ball? It was definitely playable but he just stood there like a statue. For me, he is the biggest culprit.
Nah biggest culprit is the keeper.
Thanks!
looks like he thinks about going for it and then pulls away, as though he was worried about an OG
I think that the easiest way to look at is that both Collins and Bagan were out of position. Bagan reacted to Collins getting caught ball watching and having zero awareness of what is going on around him. Bagan Should've probably called Collins and told him to get back in, although he doesn't because he's inexperienced and making Collins poor play his problem. Bagans's natural position for that play would probably be half way between the man Collins should've picked up and the player who made the run, albeit, a little deeper.
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