Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
What I mean is, in terms of outcomes, bombing other countries, migrant crisis, treatment of refugees at the southern border, isn't the difference pretty limited in terms of outcome, with the difference between Trump and Biden mainly being in rhetoric? I agree, that does matter, but sometimes it seems that what is actually happening matters less than the rhetoric.
There are obviously some areas of overlap between Trump and Biden as they are backed by the Bill and Ben US parties that have developed consensus on a range of policies over decades. Although one leans to the NRA and the other to the AFL-CIO and ACLU.

Despite one pretending to be the anti-establishment outsider and the other pretending to be the new convert to a range of progressive policies, both are elderly white men who have spent most of their lives in and around NY and Washington.

But there are clearly major policy differences too. You can't get much further apart than those two on: climate change, Covid, social and economic support in response to Covid, international collaboration, healthcare, abortion (the Catholic is pro choice, the opportunist Presbyterian is not), undocumented immigrants (Biden for legalising, Trump for criminalising), Iran, guns, and a range of other prominent policies.

They appear to have similar views on the death penalty and the Iraq war (although coming at it from different directions) where it would have been no surprise to see a Trump presidency pull out US troops as Biden did.

And when it comes to personality (which influences everything above) the difference is stark.