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Predictable and churlish response. Nothings changed in a decade. A club with no plan.Originally Posted by dml1954
Football has moved on since the 80s son and we deserve better than the two car salesman keeping us in a state of two year repetitive cycles
You're not going to get any insight from DML. He's just going to tell you to be grateful for what you've got and hope for the best.
So says the bloke who never goes to Cardiff City games or even lives on the same continent but thinks he knows everything there is to know about the club.
I have never claimed to know everything there is to know about the club. I have an opinion just like everyone else. I just happen to think I have better critical thinking skills than you. But out of interest, where do you get your information from? Do you go down to the club with a pen and a notepad every day?
Also, you should probably look up the meaning of the word "never".
I was responding directly to you saying he tried passing football. I saw little evidence of it.
Also, what is the point if at the first sign of trouble a manager who favours route one then goes straight back to it. This is the very reason why employing managers who think route one is the way to succeed will not work in developing a new style.
I don't understand some of you people.
Before the sstart of the season, and watching the pre-seaso the general opuinion was that we were going to have a hard season, and the comments about the first game in particular were that Barnsley wwere too good for us and we were going to lose. Predictions varied from just losing to 3 -0and even 5 - 0. In reality we didn't play as well as people think whe should be we drew 1 - 1 after having a goal (corrctly) disallowed. That said bad as we were we wwre we could and should have one that game by a couple of goals.
So the team appear to have done better than peoples expactations and suddenly everyone is talking as if the concensus before the game was a 3 - 0 win or something.
I can't remember seeing many saying Barnsley were too good for us.
Any link to the score predictions? A three and five goal loss to start the season at home to Barnsley?
Why do you people always demand "link"? How did you ever manage to have a conversation before google?
You olnly have to read the posts on here to see that people considered that Barnsley were a strong side on the basis of their form last season's end, and that there was little hope of us being as good as them. It's not rocket science.
I'm saying that the manager adopted a route one style for the majority of the games they played.
I also think that the two managers since prefer a direct style too.
We do have the choice to sign other players too.
When a manager signs new players and still plays the same way you do realise he has the option to change it up a bit? Or is it just the fact we employ route one managers who sign players to play that style?
Giles isn't a ‘route one’ player neither is Wintle or Collins. Whats your point ? Perhaps you think we should have signed Wilson for Ł12m - oh, wait a minute, you don't rate him either do you.
Who's this Wintle fella? Never heard of him.....
Signed from Crewe, bit of a rep as a decent footballer, Mick picked him once or twice, then had him kidnapped for the temerity of trying to find another blue shirt with an along the ground pass. Working in the Tower Lounge now while helping out Blackpool FC of a Saturday.
Is that the same Blackpool who won at Reading this evening and are now 12th in the table?
I note that somebody called Wintle was in their midfield this evening. He's made eight appearances for them this season. Their record in those games is:
Won 5, drawn 1, lost 2.
His first game for Blackpool was a 1-0 victory over Fulham.
But i) we are now on a more limited budget and ii) are using that to sign players Warnock wouldn't have signed that summer.
We've gone from an XI which has 3/4 players comfortable on the ball to an XI where 4 aren't. Now those 4 are in positions responsible for getting the ball down and initiating moves so it hasn't happened yet, and manager's have been half-hearted in pushing change in style, but not until contract renewals this year and summer window before next year can you say the manager is the main reason we aren't playing football.
Note, I said main reason because obviously change in manager will be needed to kick on with style change on the pitch.
I do not think we are going up with this squad, no.
Where do you think we will finish?
A prediction is handy in that it puts a bit of realism on to some people's idea of how good the team is and how high they think we will finish.
I think we will finish between 8th and 12th.
Not a disaster if we bed in a few players and adopt a more entertaining style.
I said at the start of last season I did not think Wilson was a Premier League standard player and was not as good a player outside of set pieces as many thought he was. Many on here said he was easily Premier League quality.
Harry Wilson is now at Fulham after a permanent move. I think that tells the story of who was closer to being right.
The asking price almost halved after his season with us also.
Good god. Its like arguing with a child. Everybody's transfer fee halved in the last 12 months - in case you missed it - THERE HAS BEEN A PANDEMIC ON.
You don't need to give Mick another summer to check what style of football he prefers. There is a whole back catalogue of seasons at clubs he's managed to check.
Roy Keane was a big fan in his autobiography (or one of).
Yeah but your point is that the manager is the main reason for this style of play and my post(s) are saying he's not. Come back in a year, or if we renew Flint's contract, and try again.
You're also saying we're not buying players for different style of play but I said we are and you've not replied to that.
So players pick the formation and style they play?
We'll have to disagree on that.
What players have we replaced with footballers who can pass the ball better? A lot are simply like for like. The midfield is still the biggest issue and has been for many years now. Every window we seem to concentrate on other areas though. It was the problem then and it is the problem now.
As for Flint, he was out in the cold before MM came to the club. MM is a big Flint fan.
Pretty much.Sounds too intelligent. I don’t think this board have any understanding of developing a passing game through a different manager. When Mick eventually leaves I can see another “cheap” alternative coming in and stating that the club has a fantastic squad that doesn’t need additions
The more forward thinking clubs go looking for a modern manager with a style more suited to the modern game and have more than a plan A.
Our requirements are cheapness and that he doesn't rock the boat too much.
They won't be held accountable though with fans like dml about. He would applaud Tan having a dump if he could.
It's the preferred style of play that does for me it's just shit.
Not once did a defender come short for the ball everything was just punted up front.
What must academy players that finally get a chance think when they've been taught about a short passing all through age groups to then be told just ****ing hoof it.
Football has evolved but us as a club just lie stagnant.
Comments above about writing us off in the first game are just blind support.
You can turn up every game and want us to win every game but still think the style of play is shite.
I'll be there every home game and some aways but know mick Mccarthy isn't the way forward.
Exactly.
Fans can turn up and support the team but discuss a game after the final whistle and be honest with what we have produced. Fans like dml would see more positives than negatives in a 5-0 thrashing.
If the academy are told to play one way and the first team are clearly playing another then that is something that is clearly in need of change. A priority you would think.
People joked that it was Mehmet Dalman posting on here before but the more he posts the more it seems he might be.
Him and Dalman have to be about the only two people on planet earth who are happy with some of the things going on at the club.
I'm asking where people have said we would be beaten by Barnsley and the predictions of 3-0 and 5-0 you talk of. I've not seen them.
So, in short you made it up then.
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