Canton Stand Last Night

[blue matt]

Let me put it another way:

Supporting Cardiff City doesn’t have to be exclusively for Welsh people.
I live in Bristol and have an English wife. I’ve brought our two boys to matches and have to explain to them why silly people are singing anti-English songs, which they find hard to understand. My wife is unlikely to ever come to a match because of this.
They’re both both born in Bristol, but support Cardiff (and Wales).
Having these idiots singing these songs is not only offensive, but also makes Cardiff fans look stupid.
And before anyone comes back with the whole sheep thing, let’s remember that two wrongs don’t make a right.
What happened in the past is completely irrelevant. We should be looking to the future and making our club as appealing to new supporters as possible or would people prefer English born sons of Welshman to support English teams?

I can add to this

my Wife is English, both my girls were born here in England ( though both deny they have any English in them and are as Welsh as anyone )

My wife has been coming to games for 20 years, she doesn't join in with the anti English songs, but why would she, but it certainly doesn't bother here now, I had warned her when she 1st started to watch us

My both girls will not join in with the anti English chants, but they do laugh at them, but that's because I have played the down as a bit of football banter

Now against Barnsley I brought up a few of my girls football team ( I've mentioned it ) and one of the girls is a outstanding GK, she is English and proud, her life goal is to play for England ladies team, she lives in her England shirts ( both outfield and GK ) when I said I would Bring the girls I told my daughter to tell her to not wear her shirt
When the canton started to sing " footballs coming home " the girls loved it and sang as loud as she could, then when it turned into " they looked it up " she looked at me and looked really upset, I explained we are in Wales, its just rival banter, on the way home, she asked " when Wales were playing in the last 2 euro's I supported them but not in the England / Wales game, I explained that its just banter, she seemed happy with that and can't wait to return to watch city play

I guess it comes down to how you see it, do you take it for just some football banter and just ignore it or take it as offensive

[Citizen's Nephew]

I guess it comes down to how you see it, do you take it for just some football banter and just ignore it or take it as offensive

It's a good point but I think it doesn't always have to be either of those things. Some English people I've tried to get to go down and watch City on a regular basis who haven't been offended and take it as banter just found it irritating by the end of the 90 mins. They've never understood it when we had an English manager and several English players. But the thing that got them the most was that we play in the English League.

One of my mates who still lives in London used to regularly take me down to Highbury when we were working and living in London together. I never heard anti-Welsh songs being sung over several years. Likewise at other grounds and clubs in the English League. But I am hearing and reading more BTL comments from people who are questioning why we're even in it. There are new generations of fans who don't understand or give a toss about history or why we ended up where we are.

On a train a while ago there were about 30 Manchester City fans who sang for the hour's journey I was on and in all of that time their songs were ****ing hilarious (especially the one about Liverpool).

I think that total support for the players on the park and the club would be a good thing. Maybe more people in other parts of the ground would feel like joining in (like Sol Bamba's Last Christmas and the Sala song did). Then, the odd p*ss take of the England football team would have more impact and be funny. I think we're too obsessed with us being a Welsh club and not Cardiff City.

Slightly off-topic but at Wales matches something that drives me nuts is not singing the words to Men Of Harlech. There's been quite a few times a sizable group of fans has tried to get it going but it gets drowned out. I've always found that sad.