Reply With QuoteUnder trump, the number of drone strikes increased significantly apparentlyOriginally Posted by Sunnysideup
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During Obama’s two terms he authorised 563 drone strikes in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia
Afghanistan saw 1337 weapons dropped often wiping out innocent civilians who were classed unfortunately as collateral damage 🤨
Under trump, the number of drone strikes increased significantly apparently
Published 17th Jan 2017 by Jessica Purkiss, Jack Serle
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History repeats itself
The First Anglo-Afghan War was fought from 1839 to 1842.
The British successfully intervened in a dispute between emir Dost Mohammad and former emir Shah Shujah who they installed upon capturing Kabul in August 1839.
The main British Indian force was almost completely annihilated during its 1842 retreat from Kabul (except some prisoners and a doctor)
The British recognised two things first if they left Afghanistan alone it would allow the Russians access to northern India through the Khyber Pass and second they needed to avenge the destruction of their army so back they went.
The Afghan army was defeated, Kabul was blown up and the British army withdrew from Afghanistan leaving Dost Mohammed to resume his rule.
The parallels are astonishing
I actually saw the film on this very subject- highly informative
Carry on up the khyber 😂👍
Special forces could have done that anyway, taking out bin laden, incredible waste of life. Will they ever learn?
The USA signed a peace Agreement with The Taliban, which seemed a bit soft and gave the Americans a 'way out' after it was clear that they were not going to crack that sizeable Nut. It allows the Taliban control in certain areas, with conditions. There's no way on this Earth the Taliban were ever going to subscribe to any of those conditions, and the Americans knew this before anyone signed on the dotted line. A big fail by the west in my opinion.
Massive failure
That’s why I’m saying throwing any more money at Afghanistan whether military or aid is a complete waste.
As Tuerto said we’re not going to crack this sizeable nut
Leave the warlords and tribes do what they’ve done for thousands of years- kill each other
Sadly that is the answer , its cost the USA $975 billion.
Well, troops were in Afghanistan during Trump's time in office. So what is your criteria? Trump ordered airstrikes in Afghanistan, Somalia, Syria and Yemen. And he wanted to bomb Iran. Does that count as "going to war"?
During Jimmy Carter's time in office, not one American serviceman or woman was killed.
Good came of it. Still a waste, huge wast in fact.
Not to mention the Harry 'Bloody Lance' Flashman the last man standing at the siege of Pipers Fort.
Exactly
Afghanistan “the graveyard of Empires”
I've been wondering how secure Kabul is as a city. Seems like there's a real difference in mindset/outlook between the Kabul city folk and the country bumpkins.
Could we see a situation where Kabul becomes a kind of city state, and the rest of Afghanistan separates itself from them. Quite surprised there hasn't been a real push to at least secure the surrounding area.
No way of getting rid of the tailban. But would be nice to think there could be somewhere safe for the non fundamentalists out there
trouble with that idea will be motar round attacks / rocket attacks / IED / car bombs
its never going to be that secure
Where have all these now apparent Taliban fighters been hiding all these years anyway? Looks like the training given to Afghan army to defend themselves when the eventual pullout came along went well, are they just giving up without a fight?
It wasn’t a complete waste for the parasitic billionaires who own the banks, the military companies, the supply and infrastructure companies, big pharma, etc.
They will find another country that “needs freedom and democracy”, financially leverage the politicians to send in the troops, then rape the shit out of that country and impose approved financial institutions and leadership.
Perhaps they’ll go back into Syria and finish off there, then find a reason to attack Iran.
afgan president has fled the country as Taliban are in Kabul
Ive tried to stay off this thread, as i have known a few Squadies who have seen combat in the hell hole, I knew someone who was killed by a IED on patrol, I used to partly supply movies to Bastion through a group i was in ( this all started when i was working down in Tidworth for the MOD )
I am genuinely gutted for the boys and girls who have served ( been killed / life changing injuries ) but lets not forget the afgans, no more school for the girls, music will be gone, gays will be stoned to death, the Taliban will now get back to rapeing young girls in front of the family just for fun , for the last 10 years afgan life has been normal, they have had a taste of stuff we take for granted, its all disappearing
What a mess it is Matt. One of my neighbours is a marine whose just done 25 yrs out there and I can see the horror in his eyes when he talks about some stuff, and I only get the edited version I’m sure. God knows what Bush and Blair were thinking sending us in there, it’s never worked over 100’s of years so why now ….they can’t be westernised so just leave them to it I guess. 20 yrs of training up their army and they just fold completely.afgan president has fled the country as Taliban are in Kabul
Ive tried to stay off this thread, as i have known a few Squadies who have seen combat in the hell hole, I knew someone who was killed by a IED on patrol, I used to partly supply movies to Bastion through a group i was in ( this all started when i was working down in Tidworth for the MOD )
I am genuinely gutted for the boys and girls who have served ( been killed / life changing injuries ) but lets not forget the afgans, no more school for the girls, music will be gone, gays will be stoned to death, the Taliban will now get back to rapeing young girls in front of the family just for fun , for the last 10 years afgan life has been normal, they have had a taste of stuff we take for granted, its all disappearing
Its a apocalyptic scene
The airports are flooded with people trying to get out and there is the cackling of machine guns, no idea if it is the police or taliban
Complete waste of 20 plus years , thousands of afghan and western lives , total nightmare
It at least give respite to Female’s and Gay People for a while.
Sad that it’s all going to be lost.
To me, it was a much more just and reasonable conflict than the 2nd Iraq War...which is absolutely no reference at all.
No one wins.
The Blair and Bush war was based on lies and had only one outcome , opening cans of worms
The Afghanistan invasion was based on the right idea but like other conflicts in that area it was doomed to failure . The taliban are a horrible bunch but they are fierce fighters who will never give in . They retreat , they lie low but they will never be defeated .
Horrific
100% agree with you.
Or are they friendly foe ??
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