Is it time to give OGS credit?

[Tuerto]

They probably have the biggest operational turnover. But they're not owned by a Russian oligarch or an Emirati prince who somehow the rues of FFP do not apply to.

Very true

[splott parker]

I'm prepared to be shot down by you with this, but aren't United the richest club in the UK, and maybe the world?

Haven’t the Americans cleverly shifted their debt onto the club?

[Citizen's Nephew]

Haven’t the Americans cleverly shifted their debt onto the club?

In June MUFC debt increased to £443.5million.

This is worth a read https://www.football365.com/news/mai...re-david-moyes

[dembethewarrior]

Yes

People are allowed to make mistakes and learn from them. Is he a tactical genius though or just have very good players at his disposal

Personally I think he deserves credit if he also deserves the criticism when things go wrong

He’d still struggle here though. What he tried to do would have never worked with less talented players.

Why would it never have worked? Smaller clubs like us can pass a bleeding ball around mate.

[Wolfmother]

You guy’s didn’t understand what he was trying to do then. But not to understand it now? Wow.

It’s the exact same thing he did at Molde, as he needed time to do at Cardiff, and is now doing at Man Utd.

Best manager ever at the club going by ability, but is still misunderstood by the lack of leadership at the top of the club. I’m so sad he won’t speak out about it. But some players have.

This thread I do symptomatic why Cardiff is”only” Cardiff..

[dml1954]

I will give him credit for being one of the worst managers that we have ever had. That takes some doing.

[dml1954]

You guy’s didn’t understand what he was trying to do then. But not to understand it now? Wow.

It’s the exact same thing he did at Molde, as he needed time to do at Cardiff, and is now doing at Man Utd.

Best manager ever at the club going by ability, but is still misunderstood by the lack of leadership at the top of the club. I’m so sad he won’t speak out about it. But some players have.

This thread I do symptomatic why Cardiff is”only” Cardiff..

Patronising claptrap. If he had been given time here, we would have been in League One or two now.

[Wolfmother]

You guy’s didn’t understand what he was trying to do then. But not to understand it now? Wow.

It’s the exact same thing he did at Molde, as he needed time to do at Cardiff, and is now doing at Man Utd.

Best manager ever at the club going by ability, but is still misunderstood by the lack of leadership at the top of the club. I’m so sad he won’t speak out about it. But some players have.

This thread I do symptomatic why Cardiff is”only” Cardiff..

Patronising claptrap. If he had been given time here, we would have been in League One or two now.

Told you then. Not believing it now is just embarrassing..

[Delbert]

Man Utd should be recruiting the very best talent in world coaching. Chelsea, Man City and Liverpool must be absolutely delighted Ole is at the wheel.

Ole’s experience managing in a nothing league in Norway and his record of hapless incompetence at Cardiff make him more suited to hosting corporate hospitality at Old Trafford than being within a mile of the dugout. Only Ole could have lost the Europa Cup final to Villareal. It’s truly amazing Man Utd hand their expensively assembled squad of superstars to him to manage.

[Geraint Pillock]

Just because Solskjaer is doing well now does not mean things would have ever worked out here.

Tactically he was incredibly naïve in the Premier League - we seemed to move from one system to the next without any rhyme or reason, usually adopting the formation of whoever beat us last. The signings came thick and fast but never seemed to have any indication of how they would fit into the squad. By the end of the window just before he left, we had at least six centre-forwards in the squad while playing one up front (Jones, Le Fondre, Guerra, Burgstaller, Macheda, Maynard, Velikonja...) but no experienced and capable specialist left-back, just Fabio and Declan John. We got to the end of the window and, having already got Morrison, Connolly, Hudson, Turner, Cala, and Nugent in the squad to cover two positions at centre-half, dropped £5m on Bruno Manga, just because. And gave a contract to Danny Gabbidon just in case. Solskjaer left two matches later, after two abject home defeats to Norwich and Middlesbrough.

His signings here fell into three categories: Man Utd reserves (Macheda, Fabio, a disinterested Zaha), inexplicable and unnecessary (Javi Guerra, Dikgacoi, Adeyemi) and the mildly concerning - Daehli, Eikrem, Berget and Burgstaller were all signed on good deals and ended up being paid off or virtually given away to get them off the books. All four were represented by agent Jim Solbakken, who is also the agent and a close friend of OGS.

Cosy little arrangement, that.

[Wolfmother]

You guy’s didn’t understand what he was trying to do then. But not to understand it now? Wow.

It’s the exact same thing he did at Molde, as he needed time to do at Cardiff, and is now doing at Man Utd.

Best manager ever at the club going by ability, but is still misunderstood by the lack of leadership at the top of the club. I’m so sad he won’t speak out about it. But some players have.

This thread I do symptomatic why Cardiff is”only” Cardiff..

Just because Solskjaer is doing well now does not mean things would have ever worked out here.

Tactically he was incredibly naïve in the Premier League - we seemed to move from one system to the next without any rhyme or reason, usually adopting the formation of whoever beat us last. The signings came thick and fast but never seemed to have any indication of how they would fit into the squad. By the end of the window just before he left, we had at least six centre-forwards in the squad while playing one up front (Jones, Le Fondre, Guerra, Burgstaller, Macheda, Maynard, Velikonja...) but no experienced and capable specialist left-back, just Fabio and Declan John. We got to the end of the window and, having already got Morrison, Connolly, Hudson, Turner, Cala, and Nugent in the squad to cover two positions at centre-half, dropped £5m on Bruno Manga, just because. And gave a contract to Danny Gabbidon just in case. Solskjaer left two matches later, after two abject home defeats to Norwich and Middlesbrough.

His signings here fell into three categories: Man Utd reserves (Macheda, Fabio, a disinterested Zaha), inexplicable and unnecessary (Javi Guerra, Dikgacoi, Adeyemi) and the mildly concerning - Daehli, Eikrem, Berget and Burgstaller were all signed on good deals and ended up being paid off or virtually given away to get them off the books. All four were represented by agent Jim Solbakken, who is also the agent and a close friend of OGS.

Cosy little arrangement, that.

Rubbish! He inherited one of the worst premier league sides ever! What som of you thought was “the future spine of England”, neither Campbell, Mutch or Caulker was ever seen again. You like to judge Ole on Eikrem, Berget and Daehlie. But truth is Berget cost was 100k. Daehelie was 1m, and Eikrem was a hell of a talent for 2,4 million. The shit show at the time had nothing to do with Ole. It was all the club and a handful of shit marching supporters making things up.

Ole was given a budget of 7,5 million to save Cardiff from relegation, that’s a fact. Judging him on seven games with a new team, and loosing half of his shit team after 7 games says more about the idiots who judge him for it. Ben Turner came out an told what went on behind the scenes. I will never understand why fans want to dig themselves into ignorance like this post.

[Jimmy the Jock]

Rubbish! He inherited one of the worst premier league sides ever! What som of you thought was “the future spine of England”, neither Campbell, Mutch or Caulker was ever seen again. You like to judge Ole on Eikrem, Berget and Daehlie. But truth is Berget cost was 100k. Daehelie was 1m, and Eikrem was a hell of a talent for 2,4 million. The shit show at the time had nothing to do with Ole. It was all the club and a handful of shit marching supporters making things up.

Ole was given a budget of 7,5 million to save Cardiff from relegation, that’s a fact. Judging him on seven games with a new team, and loosing half of his shit team after 7 games says more about the idiots who judge him for it. Ben Turner came out an told what went on behind the scenes. I will never understand why fans want to dig themselves into ignorance like this post.

**** off Ollie.....

[Wolfmother]

You guy’s didn’t understand what he was trying to do then. But not to understand it now? Wow.

It’s the exact same thing he did at Molde, as he needed time to do at Cardiff, and is now doing at Man Utd.

Best manager ever at the club going by ability, but is still misunderstood by the lack of leadership at the top of the club. I’m so sad he won’t speak out about it. But some players have.

This thread I do symptomatic why Cardiff is”only” Cardiff..

**** off Ollie.....

Let me guess. You where one of those who thought Russel Slade”steadied a ship 🤣

[dml1954]

Told you then. Not believing it now is just embarrassing..

I will tell you what is embarrassing - you still going on about it now, 7 years after the event. Plus your refusal to acknowledge that he was tactically inept, brought in players like Eikram and Berget who were useless and couldn't even get in a parks team anywhere else, played people out of position, couldn't motivate a rice pudding etc etc. PS. Bog off back to your own clubs board.

[Wolfmother]

I will tell you what is embarrassing - you still going on about it now, 7 years after the event. Plus your refusal to acknowledge that he was tactically inept, brought in players like Eikram and Berget who were useless and couldn't even get in a parks team anywhere else, played people out of position, couldn't motivate a rice pudding etc etc. PS. Bog off back to your own clubs board.

Dont blame Ole of your own shortcomings. Position is a relative term. Le Fondre was a striker, few of you understood he was playing inside forward, much like Rashford is now. But sure, keep on banging about Berget, who cost 100k and never played 😅 Eikrem was a huge talent, and has done incredible well in the europa league since. His stats are well beyond anything Cardiff have played since. But keep digging, and Im sure you are happy being where we are. You where wrong. Horribly wrong.

[dembethewarrior]

I will give him credit for being one of the worst managers that we have ever had. That takes some doing.

Didn't set us back as far as that "one more promotion for me **** the club" tunnel visioned prick Warnock.
He attempted to take us forward but the dinosaurs and knuckledraggers that follow us got on his back.

[dml1954]

Dont blame Ole of your own shortcomings. Position is a relative term. Le Fondre was a striker, few of you understood he was playing inside forward, much like Rashford is now. But sure, keep on banging about Berget, who cost 100k and never played 😅 Eikrem was a huge talent, and has done incredible well in the europa league since. His stats are well beyond anything Cardiff have played since. But keep digging, and Im sure you are happy being where we are. You where wrong. Horribly wrong.

‘Eikram was a huge talent’.

[Citizen's Nephew]

It doesn't make very good reading though does it when, since OGS was fired it has been, Slade (WTF?), Trollope (WTF?), Warnock (!), Harris (WTF?), McCarthy (!) and yes, yes, Sir Neil got us promoted but we mustn't ever, ever, mention the R word. Warnock's still plying his trade in the second tier where he belongs, so is MM. In the meantime, OGS is managing MU.

In all seriousness, if you could pick any one of those managers today - which one would you choose? You'd think it would be a no-brainer, but I bet our three wise men would pick Warnock again.

[StraightOuttaCanton]

Didn't set us back as far as that "one more promotion for me **** the club" tunnel visioned prick Warnock.
He attempted to take us forward but the dinosaurs and knuckledraggers that follow us got on his back.

I agree with you, but I also think I’m giving myself the benefit of hindsight by doing so.

There are a number of players in that Man Utd squad that have come through or are much improved under his stewardship. He may have got us relegated too, but if the DNA of our football had also changed then I think I’d have been ok with that too. I was also taken in by the Warnock rhetoric in the early days but during and since that season in the Premier League I’ve become more than a little disillusioned.

If you asked me now if I’d have taken a relegation then to League 1 followed by 2 promotions over the next 7 years with a side that played like Norwich or Brentford, I know I’d take it.

I don’t think we have a plan… we live year to year and we’re going to become the Everton of the Championship… flattering to deceive occasionally but realistically too good to go down, but never really good enough to go up.

[Jimmy the Jock]

Let me guess. You where one of those who thought Russel Slade”steadied a ship 🤣

How did come to that conclusion ?

Ollie was clueless, he was so clueless it was funny watching him as we disappeared out of the division.

Destroying the red was a victory for supporters everywhere.

[cityhammer]

Maybe there should be a rule that managers have to start at a certain level and work their way up to Prem league.

[City123]

Dont blame Ole of your own shortcomings. Position is a relative term. Le Fondre was a striker, few of you understood he was playing inside forward, much like Rashford is now. But sure, keep on banging about Berget, who cost 100k and never played 😅 Eikrem was a huge talent, and has done incredible well in the europa league since. His stats are well beyond anything Cardiff have played since. But keep digging, and Im sure you are happy being where we are. You where wrong. Horribly wrong.

I'm not really sure how using a player horribly unsuited to playing as an inside forward proves Ole's tactical genius. Though how can us mere mortals even begin to understand the tactical genius of a man who saw us lose 4-0 to Hull & Sunderland, 3-0 to Palace, Newcastle & Swansea, left us 17th in the Championship having signed crap we had to pay off at great expense and a ludicrously unbalanced squad

Huge talent is quite the stretch for a player who has gone on to play for Malmo, Seattle & Molde. Ole made some good signings, but the trio of Norwegians certainly weren't among them.

I think its clear Ole has improved since leaving Cardiff, but is he a top class manager? No. He's doing well at United, though its a lot easier when you get to spend over £250m on signings to add to a squad that already included the likes of De Gea, Pogba & Rashford.

I'm intrigued though exactly what you think would have happened had we kept Ole as manager?

[Freitag 4.17]

I think he should have had longer.. Was sacked after heavy defeat to Bournemouth if I remember right.. maybe knee jerk or just last straw but Bournemouth went on to heavily defeat lots of teams that season.

[City123]

I think he should have had longer.. Was sacked after heavy defeat to Bournemouth if I remember right.. maybe knee jerk or just last straw but Bournemouth went on to heavily defeat lots of teams that season.

Was after the defeat to Middlesbrough, the Bournemouth defeat was under Gabbidon & Young

[Freitag 4.17]

Was after the defeat to Middlesbrough, the Bournemouth defeat was under Gabbidon & Young

I take it all back then.. maybe Gabbs & Young didn't get long enough