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Thread: Afghanistan Debate. Why aren't Tom Tughendhat and Tobias Elwood in more senior Government posts

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    Re: Afghanistan Debate. Why aren't Tom Tughendhat and Tobias Elwood in more senior Government posts

    Back to the original question maybe the 2 in question dont want any part of the likes of a front bench which is probably the worst in history. Johnny Mercer I very much doubt would want to be part of it as he already wanted to resign as Veterans Minister.

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    Re: Afghanistan Debate. Why aren't Tom Tughendhat and Tobias Elwood in more senior Government posts

    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    It's not fear of your moron gang, Ronnie.

    It's probably boredom with the pomposity and pointlessness of your wind ups - whether football or politics.
    You can tell Ronnie is desperate for a bite, he came back 5 minutes later for a followup before anyone had even noticed his first one

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    You can tell Ronnie is desperate for a bite, he came back 5 minutes later for a followup before anyone had even noticed his first one
    😂😂😂😂

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Boris is a public school born into money asshole who is completely out of his depth

    Theresa May had more balls than him and she was hopeless
    Interesting to note not many statements from her on Afghanistan during her tennership and after and she had full knowledge of the withdrawal before her snipe at Boris yesterday, hindsight is a wonderful gift isn't Sir Kier and Terssa

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Interesting to note not many statements from her on Afghanistan during her tennership and after and she had full knowledge of the withdrawal before her snipe at Boris yesterday, hindsight is a wonderful gift isn't Sir Kier and Terssa
    I thought it was a wonderful speach

  6. #46

    Re: Afghanistan Debate. Why aren't Tom Tughendhat and Tobias Elwood in more senior Government posts

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock View Post
    Doesn't politics have its own separate place on this board?

    I have just read the rest of the posts, people bickering about their favourite politicians .

    Get it gone from here.

    Yes it does have a separate place, but I believe something as important as this deserves the wider circulation it gets on the main board. The Politics board tends to attract the usual suspects when it comes to discussions, and while many of the same people contribute to threads such as this on the main board as well, people who would not normally look at the politics board also contribute which I think is important.

    I have long had an antipathy towards the politics board in any case. I think it pretty pointless, but that discussion needs a separate post which I will write one of these days. I think perhaps it is time we looked at it again

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    Re: Afghanistan Debate. Why aren't Tom Tughendhat and Tobias Elwood in more senior Government posts

    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    Back to the original question maybe the 2 in question dont want any part of the likes of a front bench which is probably the worst in history. Johnny Mercer I very much doubt would want to be part of it as he already wanted to resign as Veterans Minister.
    I don't think we will see them in the cabinet unless there is a change of Prime Minister.

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    Re: Afghanistan Debate. Why aren't Tom Tughendhat and Tobias Elwood in more senior Government posts

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post

    I do wonder if any other buffon could have done any worse or better something I don't know , can't judge compare Boris fully as it's not normal times, I'm sure though folk who say he's a buffon are right as they could easily have managed these last few years .
    I am confident that Gianluigi Buffon would have done a better job than the buffoon in No 10.

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    Re: Afghanistan Debate. Why aren't Tom Tughendhat and Tobias Elwood in more senior Government posts

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    I thought it was a wonderful speach
    Thought Tom Tugendhat's hit the right and better notes .

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    No itís not that. True itís not fear either though.
    I just think itís a bit of a pity that a few people are so obsessed with their own egos that they canít enjoy and often wonít tolerate the exploration of anything which bucks their current pattern of thinking.

    Of course thatís how we advance and itís sometimes both interesting and entertaining, which does no harm. Look ,youíre as bad as anyone if you think about it - what did you want to do there - add to the conversation, challenge the concept or just call me a big twat and somehow boost yourself up by diminishing someone else or what they said ?
    Huh? Look in the mirror, mate. Mostly you post contrarian viewpoints just designed to elicit a response. You surely don't believe a lot of the tripe you come out with? You're even posting climate-change denier BS.

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    Re: Afghanistan Debate. Why aren't Tom Tughendhat and Tobias Elwood in more senior Government posts

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    I thought it was a wonderful speach
    As I pointed earlier in this thread, Lord Hain gave an excellent speech in the Lords where he said that all governments in the last 20 years bear responsibility and he wasn't going to get into the finger pointing at current politicians. This includes Theresa May's governments and I wonder what plans were put in place for such things as Visa's for interpreters and other vulnerable Afghansand indeed what contingency for an event such as this.

    She spoke many fine words but would she have done any better when push came to shove??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwood Blues View Post
    As I pointed earlier in this thread, Lord Hain gave an excellent speech in the Lords where he said that all governments in the last 20 years bear responsibility and he wasn't going to get into the finger pointing at current politicians. This includes Theresa May's governments and I wonder what plans were put in place for such things as Visa's for interpreters and other vulnerable Afghansand indeed what contingency for an event such as this.

    She spoke many fine words but would she have done any better when push came to shove??
    Not a single MP could have done a thing , logistically once USA pulled out we were done like a kipper.

    The only thing any UK politician could have done differently was not be on holiday and have a phone on 24/7 .

    Its worth noting since April repatriations have been taking place from Afghanistan to UK , as have discussion.

    Most politicians knew the Taliban would become a force that's why for the last two years they have been engaged in discussions with the west , its fair to say most experts were shocked at thier sudden advances by such a relatively small force in such a big country against a huge number of people???

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    Re: Afghanistan Debate. Why aren't Tom Tughendhat and Tobias Elwood in more senior Government posts

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Not a single MP could have done a thing , logistically once USA pulled out we were done like a kipper.

    The only thing any UK politician could have done differently was not be on holiday and have a phone on 24/7 .

    Its worth noting since April repatriations have been taking place from Afghanistan to UK , as have discussion.

    Most politicians knew the Taliban would become a force that's why for the last two years they have been engaged in discussions with the west , its fair to say most experts were shocked at thier sudden advances by such a relatively small force in such a big country against a huge number of people???
    The blame for that lies squarely with the Afghan army who, basically, ran away.

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