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Thread: Dominic Raab

  1. #21

    Re: Dominic Raab

    Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
    They ignored 2 million people on the streets of London once who told them not to invade Iraq to find weapons of mass destruction, that went well too…more BS
    Yep completely criminal

  2. #22

    Re: Dominic Raab

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    Yep completely criminal
    I marched in London (and Cardiff) about that, but its never easy to assess what could have happened had we not gone in.

    Very generally I'd say Iraq was a mistake and Afghanistan wasn't, but things were achieved in both and no one should think they fought in vain IMO. Saddam Hussain and especially the Taliban were tyrants of the highest order.

  3. #23

    Re: Dominic Raab

    Quote Originally Posted by Undercoverinwurzelland View Post
    This is a man who once said
    “The typical user of a foodbank is not someone that’s languishing in poverty, it’s someone who has a cash flow problem episodically.”

    He published a book that claimed
    "The British are among the worst idlers in the world. We work among the lowest hours, we retire early and our productivity is poor."

    He wrote another book that called for hospitals to be privatised, then claimed that he hadn't.

    And whilst Brexit secretary he said
    "I hadn't quite understood the full extent of this, but if you look at the UK and if you look at how we trade in goods, we are particularly reliant on the Dover-Calais crossing."
    Hes entitled to a holiday

  4. #24

    Re: Dominic Raab

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    I marched in London (and Cardiff) about that, but its never easy to assess what could have happened had we not gone in.

    Very generally I'd say Iraq was a mistake and Afghanistan wasn't, but things were achieved in both and no one should think they fought in vain IMO. Saddam Hussain and especially the Taliban were tyrants of the highest order.
    Walter Mitty

  5. #25

    Re: Dominic Raab

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Should he not go on holiday?

    Or are you basing the insults on what the Labour Party have said? Because, as a general rule, you cant trust opposition parties to be entirely truthful about situations regarding their political opponents..
    Which bits particularly are you suggesting may be untrue? The Foreign Office has already confirmed he was on holiday and decided to delegate the call about rescuing the interpreters because he was busy.

  6. #26

    Re: Dominic Raab

    Quote Originally Posted by Baloo View Post
    Which bits particularly are you suggesting may be untrue? The Foreign Office has already confirmed he was on holiday and decided to delegate the call about rescuing the interpreters because he was busy.
    How do you know it made any difference. Thats the point.

  7. #27

    Re: Dominic Raab

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    How do you know it made any difference. Thats the point.
    We don't. I really don't think that is the point.

  8. #28

    Re: Dominic Raab

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    Walter Mitty
    Given your knee-jerk insults today, I'll take that as a compliment.

  9. #29

    Re: Dominic Raab

    Quote Originally Posted by Baloo View Post
    We don't. I really don't think that is the point.
    It is. Raab is insulted and criticised (by tabloids and other parties...wow, surprise!) for something he supposedly didnt do whilst we ignore the fact that people are currently working round the clock to airlift thousands of people from Kabul airport.

    As if these situations are easy.

  10. #30

    Re: Dominic Raab

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    It is. Raab is insulted and criticised (by tabloids and other parties...wow, surprise!) for something he supposedly didnt do whilst we ignore the fact that people are currently working round the clock to airlift thousands of people from Kabul airport.

    As if these situations are easy.
    People are working around the clock, and Raab isn't. That's the issue.

  11. #31

    Re: Dominic Raab

    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    People are working around the clock, and Raab isn't. That's the issue.
    I'm not saying it's good timing with hindsight, but he came back from holiday, and clearly evacuating thousands of people doesnt happen without co-ordination from the top, so maybe the opposition MPs and tabloid newspapers are not accurately reflecting the reality of the situation?

  12. #32

    Re: Dominic Raab

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    It is. Raab is insulted and criticised (by tabloids and other parties...wow, surprise!) for something he supposedly didnt do whilst we ignore the fact that people are currently working round the clock to airlift thousands of people from Kabul airport.
    I think we've established it isn't supposedly. Whatever you happen to think about that I think people are likely to comment on The Foreign Secretary's handling of the situation following the recall of parliament yesterday and his performance during it. Just trying to portray any criticism as biased or badly timed just comes across as deflection.

  13. #33

    Re: Dominic Raab

    Quote Originally Posted by Baloo View Post
    I think we've established it isn't supposedly. Whatever you happen to think about that I think people are likely to comment on The Foreign Secretary's handling of the situation following the recall of parliament yesterday and his performance during it. Just trying to portray any criticism as biased or badly timed just comes across as deflection.
    Fair point. It's more the knee jerk "he's a c**t" type comments, that ignore the reality and how complex this situation is, and ignores what is being achieved and what is happening on the ground. I personally know people working very long hours on getting people evacuated. That doesnt happen while the foreign secretary is on a beach sipping cocktails, so clearly that insinuation is not entirely true, even if he is guilty of being caught unawares.

    And I definitely criticise people making party political capital out of situations like this. I think that is contemptuous.

    I just think criticism needs to be more focused and balanced to be useful.

  14. #34

    Re: Dominic Raab

    I never thought I’d see the day someone would be madly defending Dominic rabb ffs. Look at the things he’s said before, look at his voting record, look at the fact he was on holiday while British citizens were stuck in Afghanistan. Then ask yourself why you are blindly defending someone who wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire.

    He’s a pure useless ****.

  15. #35

    Re: Dominic Raab

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Fair point. It's more the knee jerk "he's a c**t" type comments, that ignore the reality and how complex this situation is, and ignores what is being achieved and what is happening on the ground.

    And I definitely criticise people making party political capital out of situations like this. I think that is contemptuous.

    I just think criticism needs to be more focused and balanced to be useful.
    It isn’t knee jerk he’s been a **** for years and there’s plenty of evidence of it.

    a typical user of a food bank is not someone who’s languishing in poverty, it’s someone who has a cash flow problem

  16. #36

    Re: Dominic Raab

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    I never thought I’d see the day someone would be madly defending Dominic rabb ffs. Look at the things he’s said before, look at his voting record, look at the fact he was on holiday while British citizens were stuck in Afghanistan. Then ask yourself why you are blindly defending someone who wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire.

    He’s a pure useless ****.
    The UK (most notably his and the defence department) are literally evacuating thousands of Afghan and British citizens as we speak.

    Thats what fkn matters. Not some dubious tweets from opposition MPs and tabloid newspapers.

    If you are more bothered by those stories than the fact that we are literally evacuating people as we speak, then thats your business i guess, but I think it's pretty weird and scratch beneath the surface and there's party political games at play

    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-s...han-nationals/

  17. #37

    Re: Dominic Raab

    You can be bothered by more than one thing. The foreign secretary being a self centred useless prick is something worth being worried about.

    You’re the one making it about party politics. Rabb’s CV is made up of him being useless (NI border, Dover to Calais exports, being on holiday during this) and a **** (food bank, NHS, being on holiday during this).

  18. #38

    Re: Dominic Raab

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    I marched in London (and Cardiff) about that, but its never easy to assess what could have happened had we not gone in.

    Very generally I'd say Iraq was a mistake and Afghanistan wasn't, but things were achieved in both and no one should think they fought in vain IMO. Saddam Hussain and especially the Taliban were tyrants of the highest order.
    Great post

  19. #39

    Re: Dominic Raab

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    You can be bothered by more than one thing. The foreign secretary being a self centred useless prick is something worth being worried about.

    You’re the one making it about party politics. Rabb’s CV is made up of him being useless (NI border, Dover to Calais exports, being on holiday during this) and a **** (food bank, NHS, being on holiday during this).
    No it's not. The OP said Raab was a 'typical Tory' or words to that effect..

    Also, this BBC article is basically:

    Labour moaning
    Lib Dems moaning
    SNP moaning
    Plaid moaning
    Daily Mail moaning

    Thats why I suspect it's party-political motives at play here
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58265160

    All the while the UK (incl Raabs department) are evacuating thousands of people from Kabul airport.

    I know which story I think is more interesting and important.

  20. #40

    Re: Dominic Raab

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    Why do people defend the indefensible when it comes to party politics? People’s lives are in danger and he’s the foreign secretary.

    Do you think it’s right for the foreign secretary to go on holiday and ignore comms?
    Foreign secretary puts lives in danger shock.

    Whatever happened to the foreign secretary that cocked up Zaghari-Ratcliffe's chances of getting out of Iran?

    This lot has to go, and they will albeit for another Tory Government. Every decision they make seems to cost lives. But they are keeping immigration down which some people think is good. Sadly, none of the British people complaining about "forriners taking our jobs" seem ready to step up into the many vacancies that exist. Pick fruit? Clean toilets? Work in a care home? Not on the British nelly squire.

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