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Should have a list of Tory boy whining.
1 but but but Jeremy Corbyn
2 but but but Diane Abbott
3 poor Boris such difficult times.
4 they are only criticising for political point scoring.
5 At least Boris hasnt stopped me getting my lamb chops at my preferred butchers.
You've misspelt winning ;)Originally Posted by Hilts
BBC news at lunchtime said that Raab was asked to make phone-call to his equal in Afghanistan by his department's advisers but he delegated job to more junior position.
UK government's position as of 8th of July was that there isn't military path for Taliban victory which has been proved false very quickly.
Question is whether Raab showed poor judgement in misunderstanding what could happen over 1month plus and poor judgement again by asking person junior to him to make, on face of it, such a critical phone-call both of which have had dire outcomes.
UK are now reacting as quickly as possible but it's easy in hindsight, isn't it?
No 5
I'm sure Raab and Johnson would both have been straight on it if some of their mates/donors could have made a few quid out of the situation.
Cameron
What an oily git he's turned out to be
Who would have thought that eh 🤔
No knee jerk reaction here I am afraid. Just seeing Dominic Rabb in the news serves as a reminder how much of an absolute c*nt the bloke is.
JamesWales performance in this thread has been the best display of ccmb boot licking we've ever had. Fair play to the lad.
Hes a btec WalesBales
It's not bootlicking, I just think you are talking nonsense, have provided no evidence to back up what you say, are being an example of Captain Hindsight and are more interested in gossip about holidays than the fact we are airlifting people to safety in their thousands.
It's a fact that thousands are being airlifted to safety.
It's not a fact that a phone call that may or may not have been made has had any material impact on safety at all. Indeed, for all you know, direct contact with a UK govt minister may put former Afghan ministers in more danger with the Taliban.
Best to deal with facts I think. If we weren't evacuating people and working on the ground now then I would wholly agree with the criticism...but we are, so I don't.
He's not very good at this winding up lark is he.
Meanwhile, it seems that the call wasn't made at all.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-mps-to-resign
It is very hard to defend some people. So I won't bother.
He should be replace by someone who has knowledge in foreign affairs
|Such as the Chairman of the Foreign Affairs committee
Tom Tughendhat of course. From what I read He is highly intelligent, well thought of on all sides of the house.
Surely a better fit than Dominic Raab.
It won't happen of course and Raab probably won't go now. But he may in the reshuffle which has been predicted for months
Just seen this on BBC.
If a lot of Tory MP's share rhe views of Tobias Ellwood Raab's days may be numbered
'The British Armed Forces Minister, James Heappey, has insisted that a single phone call wouldn't have changed how events unfolded.
Conservative MP Tobias Ellwood, who chairs the Commons Defence Committee, said he agreed with Mr Heappey's statement but also suggested that it might be time for change within the Cabinet.
He told the BBC: "This government was put together back in December 2019 when the world looked very different indeed.
"You do need different skillsets, different types of leadership given the challenges that we now face, and I'm sure the prime minister will be considering that."'
Tugendhat is neither a serial arse licker or a rabid Brexiter, so he has no chance of promotion in the current goverment
I didn’t report the story you soppy bollocks. It’s facts and his own department have confirmed he was on holiday and a junior made the call.
It’s got nothing to do with the normal evacuation either but about the translators. Which is pretty important when the taliban are hunting down anyone who complied with outside forces.
Raab is a **** and has acted like a **** yet again, carry on bootlicking though
In one sentence there you are both saying that the Taliban are hunting down those who complied with outside forces whilst also insisting that the head of foreign affairs in those same outside forces should be personally making specific phone calls.
I think that demonstrates that this is a complex, nuanced issue that is more complicated than you give it credit.
We can see people leaving in fkn British planes. That's evidence.
There is no evidence that him not making a specific phone call has had any impact on anyone whatsoever. If you can prove it has then I would entirely agree with you.
6. Captain Hindsight. Another Tory whine all too common after the bufoon and co s continuous feck ups.
Raab was always an underachiever.
If you remember when Boris was critically unwell with Covid, Raab stepped up and looked like a startled rabbit and was completely out of his depth .
Who in thier right mind would want to be a politician.
You spell their the same way as my partner, the wrong way
Boris??? his name is Johnson. Critically ill
And you know for a fact he wasn't do you??? I am pretty sure if they had lied about how ill he was, someone connected with the hospital would have leaked it by now.Boris??? his name is Johnson. Critically ill
This is a quote from the Guardian on the 17th April
'The rumours were loosely right: the prime minister was seriously unwell, more than admitted.'
He is actually Boris Johnson ( do you call Sir Keir Starmer, just Starmer??) but rightly or wrongly he is almost universally known as Boris so why criticise someone when they use his first name?
The debate on Raab is almost as if no one has the answers to how this unfolded or had the ability to forecast it on either side of the political arena , but feel calling out a man on holiday or not making a phone call is a lot easier than offering any positive suggestions or alternatives to have stop this incident unfolding .
It does appear that UK is making a better fist of evacuation than USA .
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