McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.

[RonnieBird]

Pay him off now. This afternoon . Text him.

Not my usual attitude I know because I’m big on loyalty and commitment.

This is different-

1. He’s going absolutely nowhere with this style . He simply can’t - if it was going anywhere it’d take five years and it would require commitment , leadership and definite commitment on his part.

2. He simply doesn’t give a **** and doesn’t even try to hide that . I haven’t got time for that - if he’s trying then we can forgive mistakes and failure but people are paying good money to support the club and Sri Vincent Tan is supporting it with millions which could be better spent if it’s a big waste.

No, I’m not a ruthless employer but frankly I’d bloody have him now. Immediately or sooner - he’s taking the piss out of everyone here.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

The 5-0 defeats were always going to come back and haunt him.

[Spooky Tree]

Pay him off now. This afternoon . Text him.

Not my usual attitude I know because I’m big on loyalty and commitment.

This is different-

1. He’s going absolutely nowhere with this style . He simply can’t - if it was going anywhere it’d take five years and it would require commitment , leadership and definite commitment on his part.

2. He simply doesn’t give a **** and doesn’t even try to hide that . I haven’t got time for that - if he’s trying then we can forgive mistakes and failure but people are paying good money to support the club and Sri Vincent Tan is supporting it with millions which could be better spent if it’s a big waste.

No, I’m not a ruthless employer but frankly I’d bloody have him now. Immediately or sooner - he’s taking the piss out of everyone here.

Are you a toddler? I only ask because this is very suspiciously close to a tantrum.

[2b2bdoo]

The club did their usual panic with MM.

He was a great appointment on a short term deal when Harris was showing he didn't have a clue. Great short term fix while the club had several months to make sure they found the right manager to take us in a new direction.
Sadly a quick run of good results and his agents spins a celtic story which I have no doubt was nonsense and we give him a 2 year deal.

I don't think he is a terrible manager, he's pretty much what everyone expected. Personally I just wish we had tried to go in another direction and attempt to play some football.
I don't see the point in sacking him now though, a new manager needed a full summer of recruitment and to work with who we had.

[darran1927]

The club did their usual panic with MM.

He was a great appointment on a short term deal when Harris was showing he didn't have a clue. Great short term fix while the club had several months to make sure they found the right manager to take us in a new direction.
Sadly a quick run of good results and his agents spins a celtic story which I have no doubt was nonsense and we give him a 2 year deal.

I don't think he is a terrible manager, he's pretty much what everyone expected. Personally I just wish we had tried to go in another direction and attempt to play some football.
I don't see the point in sacking him now though, a new manager needed a full summer of recruitment and to work with who we had.

If we want a different style then a new manager would need to be in place at end of season, I don’t like the style of play but can’t really sack him after 1st defeat of the season.

[2b2bdoo]

If we want a different style then a new manager would need to be in place at end of season, I don’t like the style of play but can’t really sack him after 1st defeat of the season.

Totally agree.

[RonnieBird]

The club did their usual panic with MM.

He was a great appointment on a short term deal when Harris was showing he didn't have a clue. Great short term fix while the club had several months to make sure they found the right manager to take us in a new direction.
Sadly a quick run of good results and his agents spins a celtic story which I have no doubt was nonsense and we give him a 2 year deal.

I don't think he is a terrible manager, he's pretty much what everyone expected. Personally I just wish we had tried to go in another direction and attempt to play some football.
I don't see the point in sacking him now though, a new manager needed a full summer of recruitment and to work with who we had.

True , so let him make a start and get on with it now.
It’s a bloody mess and everything has been needlessly buggered up so much as I’ve opposed it for years, now is the time to start this big project of rebuilding in a new image of more entertaining better quality football with a young manager.

I didn’t want it because I didn’t want to waste what we’d already done and I knew it’d mean a period in the wilderness, but he’s led us there now , so let’s agree with those who’ve been calling for a rebuild for years and try that. We CAN do it , although it’ll take time.

[dml1954]

True , so let him make a start and get on with it now.
It’s a bloody mess and everything has been needlessly buggered up so much as I’ve opposed it for years, now is the time to start this big project of rebuilding in a new image of more entertaining better quality football with a young manager.

I didn’t want it because I didn’t want to waste what we’d already done and I knew it’d mean a period in the wilderness, but he’s led us there now , so let’s agree with those who’ve been calling for a rebuild for years and try that. We CAN do it , although it’ll take time.

Putting the same post in the same thread twice is rather strange behaviour. Have you had a bad day or have you been drinking ?

[Vindec]

Any new manager would have to play according to the strengths of the players he has available.To play a different way would require a new team and there are no funds available or a transfer window to acquire them. It would be ridiculous to change the manager now.

[blue lewj]

Any new manager would have to play according to the strengths of the players he has available.To play a different way would require a new team and there are no funds available or a transfer window to acquire them. It would be ridiculous to change the manager now.

How many transfer windows do we need to say this after though?

It seems we get a new manager, the board tell us they want a more entertaining style. They then sign players that fit into our long ball style and then repeat it.

One way to guarantee long ball football is to employ long ball manager after long ball manager and give them what little money we have.

It wouldn't be too bad if it was successful long ball football. We're getting found out by more and more sides and our usually resolute back line are anything but so far.

[surge]

What you're asking for is for the board to:

i) buy Mick and staff out of their contract, and
ii) probably compensate another club as part of hiring their managerial team, and
iii) back the new manager in the next transfer window

That seems highly unlikely at the end of this year and impossible to believe before the end of this year, unless things start to go badly wrong.

However, please return to this post when Mick does eventually go and compare the club's position to what Warnock left us with. That will be the test of whether we've progressed or not.

[The Lone Gunman]

It seems we get a new manager, the board tell us they want a more entertaining style.

I don’t recall anyone on the board saying anything of the sort when McCarthy was appointed.

[Jimmy the Jock]

I don’t recall anyone on the board saying anything of the sort when McCarthy was appointed.

I would have done . I thought he was a shocking , short sighted appointment. I started to bore myself moaning about him and the hoof ball.


I accept he is now our manager , constantly moaning is unlikely to change anything.
We should have had a crack with Craig Bellamy , at least he is forward thinking. Don't know how his temperament is suited though.

[surge]

Since Dave Jones left May 2011, and excluding caretakers, Cardiff City have played 42 games under unproven managers with an attacking mindset and 399 games under experienced managers with a more basic approach.

Excluding 12 games under Trollope, we've gone from Slade to Warnock to Harris to Mick.

Can we please at least agree that "lacking vision" isn't a good enough description of what's happened?

On the plus side:

i) The last player to break from youth team into first team was Declan John in 2013-14 (before that there was Ben Nugent in '12-'13 and Joe Ralls in '11-'12) but through want or necessity that stat will need to be updated now. Harris was first in a good long while to talk seriously about promoting youth.

ii) Transfer windows also seem to be becoming better.

iii) Manager change is unlikely to happen until after Mick has gone via contract exhaustion but this should result in increasingly noticeable change of style of play, though I still think we're going to be more Nuno's Wolves rather than Bruno's Wolves so might not be good enough for some people. To be honest, I think we'll see that slight change before Mick goes but it won't be enough for those wanting Pep's Barca.

[dml1954]

How many transfer windows do we need to say this after though?

It seems we get a new manager, the board tell us they want a more entertaining style. They then sign players that fit into our long ball style and then repeat it.

One way to guarantee long ball football is to employ long ball manager after long ball manager and give them what little money we have.

It wouldn't be too bad if it was successful long ball football. We're getting found out by more and more sides and our usually resolute back line are anything but so far.

I have said this before but you obviously never read anything anyone else says. We signed four players this summer - none of them are long ball or ‘hoofball’ as you like to call it, players. They are all technically proficient players who like the ball to feet and can pass. That tends to drive a horse and cart through your theory as to how Mick McCarthy wants us to play. Also a number of the goals that we have let in recently have been as a result of individual errors by young players (including Sang for example in yesterday match) - what do you want us to do, get rid of them all out of the team ? They need to learn and get experience by playing, not criticism and ridicule by people like you. They will learn from their mistakes and become better players for it. Also, even Jurssett yesterday thought that we played some good football and very little long stuff - if he can see that with his one eyed views, why cant you - oh, I forgot, you don't go to games and get all your info off the back of a fag packet or by making it up.

[cardiff55]

I have said this before but you obviously never read anything anyone else says. We signed four players this summer - none of them are long ball or ‘hoofball’ as you like to call it, players. They are all technically proficient players who like the ball to feet and can pass. That tends to drive a horse and cart through your theory as to how Mick McCarthy wants us to play. Also a number of the goals that we have let in recently have been as a result of individual errors by young players (including Sang for example in yesterday match) - what do you want us to do, get rid of them all out of the team ? They need to learn and get experience by playing, not criticism and ridicule by people like you. They will learn from their mistakes and become better players for it. Also, even Jurssett yesterday thought that we played some good football and very little long stuff - if he can see that with his one eyed views, why cant you - oh, I forgot, you don't go to games and get all your info off the back of a fag packet or by making it up.

I agree. The initial post is ridiculous. I actually enjoyed yesterday's game, it was end to end and we played some nice football all at times. We didn't defend very well, and didn't exploit our set pieces but could have had 4 or five goals. Giles was clear through, Moore had one kicked off the line and one deflected wide and their 'keeper saved from Bacuna and Bagan.

A couple of years ago everybody was stating how we were signing players for big fees and high wages , and Warnock didn't give any youngsters a chance. As said above we've offloaded Bamba, Holiett, Day, Glatzel and Williams. And lost Wilson and Ojo too. And in our sued for League games since MM has come here has been Bagan, Harris, Colwill, Sang, Brown, McGuiness, Evans, Patten and Isaac Davies. And in cup games we have used Tom Davies, D'Almeida, Bowen and Denham. Do we expect to win the League then?

As for Wintle I expect he has been sent out to free up a slot (and a wage) to bring in another player in a different position.

Yes let's sack MM and re-appoint Warnock! Would you give him your chequebook? (If we have a chequebook these days).

[xsnaggle]

Any new manager would have to play according to the strengths of the players he has available.To play a different way would require a new team and there are no funds available or a transfer window to acquire them. It would be ridiculous to change the manager now.

someone else who knows all about the club and the owner's financial situations. you should be a share dealer, you clearly ave inside information.

[19bluebirds27]

Calm down - we won’t struggle or go down with MM.
That seems to be the aim during these times, as the parachute ends. Steady the ship, while we ride the storm.
The club isn’t being reckless and to be fair (without checking) MM has a top 6 record since he been here.

[RonnieBird]

True , so let him make a start and get on with it now.
It’s a bloody mess and everything has been needlessly buggered up so much as I’ve opposed it for years, now is the time to start this big project of rebuilding in a new image of more entertaining better quality football with a young manager.

I didn’t want it because I didn’t want to waste what we’d already done and I knew it’d mean a period in the wilderness, but he’s led us there now , so let’s agree with those who’ve been calling for a rebuild for years and try that. We CAN do it , although it’ll take time.

[goats]

True , so let him make a start and get on with it now.
It’s a bloody mess and everything has been needlessly buggered up so much as I’ve opposed it for years, now is the time to start this big project of rebuilding in a new image of more entertaining better quality football with a young manager.

I didn’t want it because I didn’t want to waste what we’d already done and I knew it’d mean a period in the wilderness, but he’s led us there now , so let’s agree with those who’ve been calling for a rebuild for years and try that. We CAN do it , although it’ll take time.

Tan should give him 250 million so we can maybe get top half premier league

[The Lone Gunman]

No, I’m not a ruthless employer but frankly I’d bloody have him now.

You’ve bloody got him now. And I’d bloody get used to it if I was you, as you’ll bloody have him for the rest of the bloody season at least.

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

Think he's doing exactly what he's been asked to do. We'll be ok this season, won't go up, won't go down. Hopefully we'll see the young players improve.
What happens next season is really interesting. Lots of established players out of contract. Are they kept on or not, and if not, who replaces them and what type of football do we play then?

[PhyllisStant]

We have no money to reshape a squad or attract a better manager. Look at our transfer dealings this window. We have freed up the wages of Glatzel, Bamba, Bennet, Hoilet,Day, Johnny Williams (anywhere between 50-100k a week). And have replaced them with three free transfers one of which has gone out on loan (Wintle).

Let's try and look at the positive - we aint going down, and we're seeing more youngsters in the squad than I can remember for years. Yes, it's not great to watch but safety has to be the no.1 priority.

[xsnaggle]

We have no money to reshape a squad or attract a better manager. Look at our transfer dealings this window. We have freed up the wages of Glatzel, Bamba, Bennet, Hoilet,Day, Johnny Williams (anywhere between 50-100k a week). And have replaced them with three free transfers one of which has gone out on loan (Wintle).

Let's try and look at the positive - we aint going down, and we're seeing more youngsters in the squad than I can remember for years. Yes, it's not great to watch but safety has to be the no.1 priority.

And another one. Is that your opinion or expert knowledge, as in fact?

[PhyllisStant]

And another one. Is that your opinion or expert knowledge, as in fact?

It's called an opinion based on (pretty overwhelming) evidence of a massive cost cutting exercise. Wake up mate.