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    Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    And created the unelected mess there in now, Corbyn and his like are /were bullies and that's documented and reflected in a Panaroma documentary of bullying and harrasment , and antisemitism enquiries where the party were found guilty , published social media attacks were also there for all to see . Nasty bunch.
    Corbyn's problem was that he was a weak parliamentary leader and avoided confrontation and ended up making constant concessions to his internal enemies. His mantra was always to focus on the policy not the person. I'm not sure about all those in his office, but he is and was as far from a bully as you can get. Ineffective - certainly. A bully or 'nasty bunch' - nonsense.

    And what is the rest of the word soup about? The John Ware Panorama programme and the EHRC report into alleged Labour antisemitism? The first provided a platform for right wing and anti-Palestinian opponents of Corbyn to make wild and dishonest allegations. The second did not find the Labour Party guilty of institutional anti-semitism as much of the press (and you) reported. It looked into many of the Panorama allegations too. It concluded that internal processes needed to improve, that there were a handful of snti-semitic social media posts from the thousands put its way (both individuals were expelled/resigned), that 'interference' from the leaders office was done to speed up investigations, and that many of those accused (disproportionately Jewish - as you know) were not treated fairly.

    Starmer and his new General Secretary Evans are still using those discredited processes with no internal or external criticism from the Labour right, from John Ware, from the Board of Deputies or from the Israeli embassy. Figure that out!

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    Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'

    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Corbyn's problem was that he was a weak parliamentary leader and avoided confrontation and ended up making constant concessions to his internal enemies. His mantra was always to focus on the policy not the person. I'm not sure about all those in his office, but he is and was as far from a bully as you can get. Ineffective - certainly. A bully or 'nasty bunch' - nonsense.

    And what is the rest of the word soup about? The John Ware Panorama programme and the EHRC report into alleged Labour antisemitism? The first provided a platform for right wing and anti-Palestinian opponents of Corbyn to make wild and dishonest allegations. The second did not find the Labour Party guilty of institutional anti-semitism as much of the press (and you) reported. It looked into many of the Panorama allegations too. It concluded that internal processes needed to improve, that there were a handful of snti-semitic social media posts from the thousands put its way (both individuals were expelled/resigned), that 'interference' from the leaders office was done to speed up investigations, and that many of those accused (disproportionately Jewish - as you know) were not treated fairly.

    Starmer and his new General Secretary Evans are still using those discredited processes with no internal or external criticism from the Labour right, from John Ware, from the Board of Deputies or from the Israeli embassy. Figure that out!
    Ring Alan Johnson up he'll explain it for you .

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    Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Ring Alan Johnson up he'll explain it for you .
    It’s a strange attitude that ignores the shambles that is happening around them while congratulating themselves about the one they think we’ve avoided by them voting for the bunch of nonentities currently in charge.

    Whatiffery is all Torys have to fall back on these days.

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    Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    No in the minds of a lot of voters who don't give a flying feck about evil Murdoch or Corbyn and his lunatic student fringe groups , both cut from the same warped ideologies just flying a different flag.

    Corbyn put nutty Boris in power ( fact ) and more moderate centrist Labour party would have beaten or got closer not handover 80 seats .
    Please explain how students are 'lunatic fringe'

    How the hell are Corbyn and Murdoch from the same warped ideologies, that's the most mental thing I've ever seen written.

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    Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'

    Quote Originally Posted by Doucas View Post
    Please explain how students are 'lunatic fringe'

    How the hell are Corbyn and Murdoch from the same warped ideologies, that's the most mental thing I've ever seen written.
    Ones far left thebotherv isv far right both warped ideologies.

    Labour under Corbyn behavioued like a radical student fringe group off thier heads .

    This quote below on election night from Labours Alan Johnson should help you :

    ďCorbyn was a disaster on the doorstep. Everyone knew that he couldnít lead the working class out of a paper bag.

    Now Jonís Lansman developed this Momentum group, this party within a party, aiming to keep the purity, the culture of betrayal goes on.

    ďYouíll hear it more and more now over the next couple of days as this little cult get their act together. I want them out of the party. I want Momentum gone. Go back to your student politics and your little left wing...Ē

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Ones far left thebotherv isv far right both warped ideologies.

    Labour under Corbyn behavioued like a radical student fringe group off thier heads .

    This quote below on election night from Labours Alan Johnson should help you :

    ďCorbyn was a disaster on the doorstep. Everyone knew that he couldnít lead the working class out of a paper bag.

    Now Jonís Lansman developed this Momentum group, this party within a party, aiming to keep the purity, the culture of betrayal goes on.

    ďYouíll hear it more and more now over the next couple of days as this little cult get their act together. I want them out of the party. I want Momentum gone. Go back to your student politics and your little left wing...Ē
    Enough of the vagueness, give me specifics. What exactly makes students 'lunatic fringe', what policies of Corbyn were 'warped'?

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    Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'

    Quote Originally Posted by Doucas View Post
    Enough of the vagueness, give me specifics. What exactly makes students 'lunatic fringe', what policies of Corbyn were 'warped'?
    I don't need too, just read Alan Johnson's views he was quite clear and right I've copied it for you and many millions if Labour voters understood his view and decided not to adopt the Momentum strategy.

    Or Google Alan Johnson Labour MP Jon Llansman election night clash , he summed it all very well .

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    Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    I don't need too, just read Alan Johnson's views he was quite clear and right I've copied it for you and many millions if Labour voters understood his view and decided not to adopt the Momentum strategy.

    Or Google Alan Johnson Labour MP Jon Llansman election night clash , he summed it all very well .
    Oh well, if Alan Johnson (top Blairite) said all that, who can possibly argue.

    Corbyn and Momentum were two of the reasons that Labour in 2017 got 40% of the vote and itís biggest vote share rise since 1945 - and with a very popular manifesto. Not a success - Labour didnít win - but they came close so certainly not a disaster.

    2019, with the same leader and similar manifesto they got 32% and lost badly. Corbyn was certainly less popular - but that was mainly due to 2 more years of personal attacks from the press and Labour right (including Johnson) and an incoherent policy on Brexit (forced on him by the Labour right including Starmer and Johnson)!

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    Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'

    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Oh well, if Alan Johnson (top Blairite) said all that, who can possibly argue.

    Corbyn and Momentum were two of the reasons that Labour in 2017 got 40% of the vote and itís biggest vote share rise since 1945 - and with a very popular manifesto. Not a success - Labour didnít win - but they came close so certainly not a disaster.

    2019, with the same leader and similar manifesto they got 32% and lost badly. Corbyn was certainly less popular - but that was mainly due to 2 more years of personal attacks from the press and Labour right (including Johnson) and an incoherent policy on Brexit (forced on him by the Labour right including Starmer and Johnson)!
    Well perhaps Corbyn should have grasped the nettle and agreed with the Labour Brexit voters and campaigned to leave Europe he might of beat Johnson , we still don't know to this day what his view on Europe is or how he voted ,those who hesitate hey ????

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    Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    I don't need too, just read Alan Johnson's views he was quite clear and right I've copied it for you and many millions if Labour voters understood his view and decided not to adopt the Momentum strategy.

    Or Google Alan Johnson Labour MP Jon Llansman election night clash , he summed it all very well .
    Beyond typical. Tory voter says buzzwords that they've read in a billionaire funded newspaper and can't actually explain what those buzzwords mean.

    This country is thick as shit.

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    Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'

    Quote Originally Posted by Doucas View Post
    Beyond typical. Tory voter says buzzwords that they've read in a billionaire funded newspaper and can't actually explain what those buzzwords mean.

    This country is thick as shit.
    No it was live on television , let me help you , below is 7.49 clip for useful reference :

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...tail&FORM=VIRE

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    Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    No it was live on television , let me help you , below is 7.49 clip for useful reference :

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...tail&FORM=VIRE
    I want you to be specific not someone else. If you don't in the next post I'll assume you can't just like the majority of the tory electorate.

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    Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'

    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    'Fact'. That's another word you have trouble with!
    Okay Corbyn won not a fact

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    Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'

    Quote Originally Posted by Doucas View Post
    I want you to be specific not someone else. If you don't in the next post I'll assume you can't just like the majority of the tory electorate.
    I completely agree with Alan Johnson his words describe what my thoughts were he did mention students by the way I quote and agree with " student politics and your little left wing."

    I was so glad to see Corbyn get that wacking at the ballot box .

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    Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'

    Quote Originally Posted by ninian opinian View Post
    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1...848926210?s=21

    And

    Supermarket shelves empty.

    Fishing industry on its knees.

    Food rotting on farms.

    Not enough test tubes for blood tests.

    Over 150K Covid deaths.

    Abandoned our Afghan allies.
    And everyone can dump their shit in rivers again too.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/climat...-b1915765.html

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    Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Okay Corbyn won not a fact
    The statement you labelled a fact was that Corbyn put Johnson into power - not that the Tories won and Labour lost (which is a fact).

    It is your opinion that Corbyn is solely responsible for the outcome of the last election - it is not a fact.

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    Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'

    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    The statement you labelled a fact was that Corbyn put Johnson into power - not that the Tories won and Labour lost (which is a fact).

    It is your opinion that Corbyn is solely responsible for the outcome of the last election - it is not a fact.
    Here's the facts :

    Voter's in long standing traditional Labour seats did not vote for Corbyn or his policies and handed the reins to a loop.

    Tories took seats that they had no right too .

    However distasteful Corbyn did not back May's Brexit plan which created the Boris challenge and leadership win .

    Labour party was found guilty of anti-Semitism .

    Voters decided to hand Boris a massive majority .

    The last election was one of Labours biggest defeat in their history .

    If you cant accept or see these facts I cant help .

    This tread is about Social Care , Labour has no answer and may vote against it , priceless

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    Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Here's the facts :

    Voter's in long standing traditional Labour seats did not vote for Corbyn or his policies and handed the reins to a loop.

    Tories took seats that they had no right too .

    However distasteful Corbyn did not back May's Brexit plan which created the Boris challenge and leadership win .

    Labour party was found guilty of anti-Semitism .

    Voters decided to hand Boris a massive majority .

    The last election was one of Labours biggest defeat in their history .

    If you cant accept or see these facts I cant help .

    This tread is about Social Care , Labour has no answer and may vote against it , priceless
    And after all those random words you still canít separate facts from opinions. Brain fade and word soup sometimes has no cure!

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    Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'

    Quote Originally Posted by Doucas View Post
    Enough of the vagueness, give me specifics. What exactly makes students 'lunatic fringe',
    the fact they thought the Tooting Popular Front was real and something to aspire to. Citizen smith was a parody, not an instruction manual

    Quote Originally Posted by Doucas View Post
    what policies of Corbyn were 'warped'?
    all of them

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    Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'

    Quote Originally Posted by Doucas View Post
    Beyond typical. Tory voter says buzzwords that they've read in a billionaire funded newspaper and can't actually explain what those buzzwords mean.

    This country is thick as shit.
    yet here you are.

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