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    food prices to rise

    https://amp.ft.com/content/ed511b7d-...mpression=true

    this will have a devastating effect on some people.
    even prior to this, during a period of very cheap food the number of people having to use food banks has risen to 2.5 million.
    in 2010 it was about 60 thousand.

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    Cant read the article without subscribing to the Financial Times.
    There was a fruit grower on tv earlier explaining that the industry isnt sustainable with the current employment rules. It will lead to food shortages as there aren't enough staff to harvest, rising prices and, in the longer term, questions as to whether the industry can survive.

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    Food prices are set to rise later this year as the shortage of lorry drivers and more regulatory checks on imported food combine with rising prices for fuel, freight and raw materials, experts have warned.

    Retail trade bodies said the subdued food prices of the past few years may not last much longer. “The headwinds facing retailers are very significant, even if [higher prices] haven’t materialised yet,” said Kyle Monk, director of analytics and insights at the British Retail Consortium.

    Fraser McKevitt, head of retail and consumer insight at market research group Kantar, said the cost increases, including recent wage rises and other incentives for truck drivers to alleviate shortages, “have been so substantial I don’t see how they can avoid price rises.”
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    This is what we voted for in Brexit - i.e wage growth etc

    The government has got to help balance and offset the spikes and big uncertainty

    We knew it was going to be difficult with the benefit of reaping the rewards in years to come if everything aligned with trade.

    Now the UK pop has to do it's bit and still support British

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    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    This is what we voted for in Brexit - i.e wage growth etc

    The government has got to help balance and offset the spikes and big uncertainty

    We knew it was going to be difficult with the benefit of reaping the rewards in years to come if everything aligned with trade.

    Now the UK pop has to do it's bit and still support British
    what are the benefits we will be reaping in years to come?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    what are the benefits we will be reaping in years to come?
    Potentially

    Better trade deals
    Stonger currency
    Higher wages
    Stronger economy

    =

    Things cheaper to the consumer and a better standard of living

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    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    This is what we voted for in Brexit - i.e wage growth etc

    The government has got to help balance and offset the spikes and big uncertainty

    We knew it was going to be difficult with the benefit of reaping the rewards in years to come if everything aligned with trade.

    Now the UK pop has to do it's bit and still support British
    Firstly I didn't vote for brexit so not sure if the royal we at the beginning is relevant

    Secondly food prices as well as other basics are already rising and having an impact on those on the poverty line (people who are in "work poverty" is rising as well)

    So simply saying the British public need to step up is a bit simplistic

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    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    Potentially

    Better trade deals
    Stonger currency
    Higher wages
    Stronger economy

    =

    Things cheaper to the consumer and a better standard of living
    how will we achieve better trade deals? surely the EU have a much better bargaining position than an individual smaller nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    Potentially

    Better trade deals
    Stonger currency
    Higher wages
    Stronger economy

    =

    Things cheaper to the consumer and a better standard of living

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    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    Potentially

    Better trade deals
    Stonger currency
    Higher wages
    Stronger economy

    =

    Things cheaper to the consumer and a better standard of living
    Higher wages and cheaper items. That's quite a wish list.

    Why isn't every country doing this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    https://amp.ft.com/content/ed511b7d-...mpression=true

    this will have a devastating effect on some people.
    even prior to this, during a period of very cheap food the number of people having to use food banks has risen to 2.5 million.
    in 2010 it was about 60 thousand.
    Without wanting to detract from the point you are making, the Tories made it far easier for people to access foodbanks. This has caused a significant uplift in their use. There are undoubtedly other factors

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    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    Potentially

    Better trade deals
    Stonger currency
    Higher wages
    Stronger economy

    =

    Things cheaper to the consumer and a better standard of living
    The whole 'buy British' means piss all if that means things cost more. I bet the vast majority of people who chose to 'buy British' are also in a position to be able to afford it. In reality, most people don't care where things are produced as long as they're cheap. 'Buying British' was also not a strong part of Brexit when there was lots of talk about getting potentially cheaper imports from other countries with different trade deals (take Mogg's promotion of Australian beef, for example).

    Thinking about agriculture, there aren't enough workers out there to harvest crops. We've been heavily reliant on migrant workers as they've been prepared to work for the wages on offer. Wages will need to rise if we're to attract British workers to these places, where many are not a reasonable commute away. That'll result in food costs rising. I'm interested to find out if wages of lorry drivers has gone up as demand has far exceeded supply. That'll also result in costs rising.

    Meanwhile, those on minimum wage jobs and low incomes will suffer the most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feedback View Post
    Without wanting to detract from the point you are making, the Tories made it far easier for people to access foodbanks. This has caused a significant uplift in their use. There are undoubtedly other factors
    Indeed. Good old Jacob Rees-Mogg thought they show how compassionate we are as a country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    Potentially

    Better trade deals
    Stonger currency
    Higher wages
    Stronger economy

    =

    Things cheaper to the consumer and a better standard of living
    We were told food prices wouldn’t increase, in fact we were told food may even by cheaper. We were told WE hold all the cards.

    It’s going to be horrendous for those already struggling.

    Brexit is a disaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feedback View Post
    Without wanting to detract from the point you are making, the Tories made it far easier for people to access foodbanks. This has caused a significant uplift in their use. There are undoubtedly other factors
    There’s good of em.

    Good old Tories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninian opinian View Post
    There’s good of em.

    Good old Tories.
    Would you prefer it was more difficult?

    You're kind of missing the point about the orphan crushing machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feedback View Post
    Without wanting to detract from the point you are making, the Tories made it far easier for people to access foodbanks. This has caused a significant uplift in their use. There are undoubtedly other factors
    I think Oxfam did a study that suggested that demand was driving greater supply and not the other way around.
    most users are there because
    of acute issues like benefits being late or withdrawn

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    Apart from the driver shortage there is, and will continue to be an abundance of food rotting in fields as there are way less pickers/packers.

    Oven ready!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    I think Oxfam did a study that suggested that demand was driving greater supply and not the other way around.
    most users are there because
    of acute issues like benefits being late or withdrawn
    Indeed. It's noticeable how food bank usage has grown during the Covid pandemic, despite a minor boost to people's benefits. When benefits are cut back to previous levels, food bank usage will go up again.

    To quote the chief exec of the Trussell Trust - “No one should face the indignity of needing emergency food. Yet our network of food banks has given out record numbers of food parcels as more and more people struggle without enough money for the essentials."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    I think Oxfam did a study that suggested that demand was driving greater supply and not the other way around.
    most users are there because
    of acute issues like benefits being late or withdrawn
    what is the difference between subsidising your income via benefits or via foodbanks? In either case you are reliant on a third party to help maintain a very basic existence. Why is it acceptable to be reliant on benefits but not foodbanks? Sounds like politicking for the sake of it, rather than looking at the root cause.

    we're back to the orphan crushing machine again...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    I think Oxfam did a study that suggested that demand was driving greater supply and not the other way around.
    most users are there because
    of acute issues like benefits being late or withdrawn
    I am sure there is merit in that. I'm also sure that when you make a service more accessible for people, use of service is increased. Whether you accept that or stick your head in the sand depends on your politics, and nothing else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feedback View Post
    what is the difference between subsidising your income via benefits or via foodbanks? In either case you are reliant on a third party to help maintain a very basic existence. Why is it acceptable to be reliant on benefits but not foodbanks? Sounds like politicking for the sake of it, rather than looking at the root cause.

    we're back to the orphan crushing machine again...
    ask anyone in the queue at a food bank if they would prefer to have benefits money or access to a food bank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feedback View Post
    what is the difference between subsidising your income via benefits or via foodbanks? In either case you are reliant on a third party to help maintain a very basic existence. Why is it acceptable to be reliant on benefits but not foodbanks? Sounds like politicking for the sake of it, rather than looking at the root cause.

    we're back to the orphan crushing machine again...
    We are back to feck the poor let’s line the richest in societies pockets again. Covid contracts for donors for one. Level up be buggered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feedback View Post
    what is the difference between subsidising your income via benefits or via foodbanks? In either case you are reliant on a third party to help maintain a very basic existence. Why is it acceptable to be reliant on benefits but not foodbanks? Sounds like politicking for the sake of it, rather than looking at the root cause.

    we're back to the orphan crushing machine again...
    Food banks do not subsidise income. They provide food. Food you do not choose but are given. Income from unemployment or disability payments are cash and allow the recipient to manage their cash flow accordingly i.e they have independence. This is a very important part of people's lives and something I'm sure you take for granted.

    Would you be prepared to be paid in food as opposed to cash? Stop with this notion that food is a subsidy to income.

    And what on earth does 'orphan crushing machine' mean? I don't understand.

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