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    Dalman and Choo have to go

    The car salesmen have played a blinder. We’ve ended up weaker than last year following Murphy’s departure. We now have one winger at the football club when playing with a target man and one 19
    Year old left back.

    The club is literally going no where, there is no long term plan. The youth are being played out of necessity rather than a structural change to the clubs operations.

    We’re left with a style for football which is awful, dwindling attendances, PR disasters and no business plan.

    It’s a miss and a deserved management who are progressive and engaged

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    Re: Dalman and Choo have to go

    Where has Murphy gone?

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    Preston on loan.

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    Re: Dalman and Choo have to go

    Logic would indicated that loaning out with some of his salary paid lessens the impact of a player, not likely to play, during the final year of their contract.

    Research however provides zero evidence he has gone anywhere.

    EDIT:

    Only sauce for said "gone to Preston" claim is a thread on **** board, with the person making the claim conveniently knowing a Preston fan.

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    Re: Dalman and Choo have to go

    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Where has Murphy gone?
    About 5 yards outside the penalty box, no options, turned back on himself and gave the ball to Ralls.

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    Re: Dalman and Choo have to go

    Walesonline, bbc and the mirror and a few have reported it

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    Re: Dalman and Choo have to go

    Quote Originally Posted by horse_face View Post
    Walesonline, bbc and the mirror and a few have reported it
    Just saw this too https://www.deepdaledigest.com/news/...g-for-preston/

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    Re: Dalman and Choo have to go

    Surely I can't be alone in hating our players being loaned to teams in the same division?

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    Re: Dalman and Choo have to go

    It’s the lack of recruitment planning and strategy. Murphy leaving is one thing but not to replace him is just plain stupid. If Giles is recalled we’ll have no senior wingers, in a system which relies on crosses

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    Re: Dalman and Choo have to go

    of course we are weaker than last season, we have half as much money to work with.
    we've done well to still be as close as we are to last year.

    Murphy probably won't play so if we can get rid of the wage then that's a good thing for us

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    Re: Dalman and Choo have to go

    Quote Originally Posted by horse_face View Post
    It’s the lack of recruitment planning and strategy. Murphy leaving is one thing but not to replace him is just plain stupid. If Giles is recalled we’ll have no senior wingers, in a system which relies on crosses
    if that happens then we will play a different way.
    you can play with 3 narrow central strikers and rely on the wingbacks for width.

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    Re: Dalman and Choo have to go

    We don’t have a choice with the lack of pace. Complete shambles

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    of course we are weaker than last season, we have half as much money to work with.
    we've done well to still be as close as we are to last year.

    Murphy probably won't play so if we can get rid of the wage then that's a good thing for us
    But why to one of our competitors in the same division? I don't like it. That's two clubs in the same division we've loaned a player to.

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    Re: Dalman and Choo have to go

    Quote Originally Posted by horse_face View Post
    The car salesmen have played a blinder. We’ve ended up weaker than last year following Murphy’s departure. We now have one winger at the football club when playing with a target man and one 19
    Year old left back.

    The club is literally going no where, there is no long term plan. The youth are being played out of necessity rather than a structural change to the clubs operations.

    We’re left with a style for football which is awful, dwindling attendances, PR disasters and no business plan.

    It’s a miss and a deserved management who are progressive and engaged
    Hhmmm

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    Re: Dalman and Choo have to go

    Quote Originally Posted by horse_face View Post
    It’s the lack of recruitment planning and strategy. Murphy leaving is one thing but not to replace him is just plain stupid. If Giles is recalled we’ll have no senior wingers, in a system which relies on crosses
    Just a suggestion - we could always recall Murphy !!

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    Re: Dalman and Choo have to go

    Quote Originally Posted by horse_face View Post
    The car salesmen have played a blinder. We’ve ended up weaker than last year following Murphy’s departure. We now have one winger at the football club when playing with a target man and one 19
    Year old left back.

    The club is literally going no where, there is no long term plan. The youth are being played out of necessity rather than a structural change to the clubs operations.

    We’re left with a style for football which is awful, dwindling attendances, PR disasters and no business plan.

    It’s a miss and a deserved management who are progressive and engaged
    Dalman and Choo have been running this club for the last 10 years. They are hardly inexperienced therefore and certainly not car salesman as you have put it. Chill out for goodness sake. Plus, please explain how our attendances are ‘dwindling’.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    Dalman and Choo have been running this club for the last 10 years. They are hardly inexperienced therefore and certainly not car salesman as you have put it. Chill out for goodness sake. Plus, please explain how our attendances are ‘dwindling’.
    They have senior roles at HR Owen and both live in west London. They are inexperienced in football
    Roles and refuse to supplement the boardroom with football men who can add expert direction.

    I won’t chill out because the club is going no where. What is the strategic plan? Come on tell me? Sack a manger every two years?

    We’re drifting in mid table going absolutely no where.

    Attendances will drop, the football is painful to watch. It’s not an attractive proposition

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    Re: Dalman and Choo have to go

    Quote Originally Posted by logic View Post
    Logic would indicated that loaning out with some of his salary paid lessens the impact of a player, not likely to play, during the final year of their contract.

    Research however provides zero evidence he has gone anywhere.

    EDIT:

    Only sauce for said "gone to Preston" claim is a thread on **** board, with the person making the claim conveniently knowing a Preston fan.
    HP?

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    Re: Dalman and Choo have to go

    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    Dalman and Choo have been running this club for the last 10 years.
    Incorrect. Dalman was appointed as Chairman in July 2013 and Choo was appointed as CEO in November 2014.

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    Re: Dalman and Choo have to go

    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    Dalman and Choo have been running this club for the last 10 years. They are hardly inexperienced therefore and certainly not car salesman as you have put it. Chill out for goodness sake. Plus, please explain how our attendances are ‘dwindling’.
    You speak as if them being in their jobs for almost a decade is some sort of endorsement, I would have thought that given where we were when they arrived and where we are now, it's hardly that.

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    Re: Dalman and Choo have to go

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    About 5 yards outside the penalty box, no options, turned back on himself and gave the ball to Ralls.
    Lol….if we got 10% of the fee we paid back it would be a miracle. Looking at all the players who have gone our wage bill must have dropped quite a lot this season, which is to be expected.

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    Re: Dalman and Choo have to go

    Quote Originally Posted by horse_face View Post
    They have senior roles at HR Owen and both live in west London. They are inexperienced in football
    Roles and refuse to supplement the boardroom with football men who can add expert direction.

    I won’t chill out because the club is going no where. What is the strategic plan? Come on tell me? Sack a manger every two years?

    We’re drifting in mid table going absolutely no where.

    Attendances will drop, the football is painful to watch. It’s not an attractive proposition
    Ripe for a takeover though, which is what VT will want us to be.

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    Re: Dalman and Choo have to go

    Shouldn't we judge whether we're weaker based on contribution rather than profile of name and therefore it's something to assess in run-up to January and at end of the year rather than 5 games in?

    We're definitely shorter in terms of senior attacking players but how much did Hoilett, Murphy, Whyte, Watters, Jonny Williams actually do for us on the pitch last year?

    Expected difference from those missing being in terms of squad depth - what do we do in games where Giles needs a rest? - and buzz around club away from pitch. Bigger difference on the pitch being that Giles will probably fall in between contributions of Wilson and Ojo and we haven't yet got anyone to make up the difference.

    Is saving a possible £1million worth it? They'll argue yes but that's an statement about previous year's mismanagement more than anything.

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    Re: Dalman and Choo have to go

    Quote Originally Posted by horse_face View Post
    They have senior roles at HR Owen and both live in west London. They are inexperienced in football
    Roles and refuse to supplement the boardroom with football men who can add expert direction.

    I won’t chill out because the club is going no where. What is the strategic plan? Come on tell me? Sack a manger every two years?

    We’re drifting in mid table going absolutely no where.

    Attendances will drop, the football is painful to watch. It’s not an attractive proposition
    So attendances aren't ‘dwindling’ - it is just your opinion on what could happen. Also, how can any team be ‘drifting in mid table’ after five games ? - ridiculous comment. The strategic plan is to bring through a number of young players, who are showing great promise, from the academy and under 23’s which is something many people have been crying out for, for many years. To be self sufficient with players should be the objective of every club outside the elite. Choo and Dalman have been running a successful top six championship side for a number of years and to say they are inexperienced at doing it is rubbish.

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    Re: Dalman and Choo have to go

    Slightly OT but as discussing Dalman, has anybody ever ready Kleptopia? It's a book by Tom Burgis, in which Dalman features from his time working on the board of a dodgy Kazakhstan-based mining company called ENRC. Interesting read...

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