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Thread: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

  1. #41

    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    Quote Originally Posted by dembethewarrior View Post
    You are wasting your time on this one mate
    I'm really annoyed with myself because I've got loads to do and then dip in to get a footie fix and the site's gone full-on theological philosophy. I need more Bovril and less wine!

  2. #42

    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    Quote Originally Posted by Baloo View Post
    Youíre sounding pretty fundamentalist yourself there. Religious groups like The Quakers accept members who are Non Theist and donít actually believe in the supernatural or a divine being for instance. They do some great work however around justice, peace building and social action. The world would likely be a bit of a worse place if their beliefs were shoved where the sun donít shine imo.

    Religion is the cause of most wars and atrocities around the world.

  3. #43

    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew View Post
    I'm really annoyed with myself because I've got loads to do and then dip in to get a footie fix and the site's gone full-on theological philosophy. I need more Bovril and less wine!
    You'll just get the same stuff already posted repeated over and over. He who shouts loudest and all that..

  4. #44

    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    Back in the days of uneducated people, and before science, Man needed religion to make some sense of the world, to explain where we all came from, what we were doing here, and what happens when we die. Now, science has explained everything (okay, most things), and we no longer need religion. But we do need a sense of belonging, and that's why people join clubs, go to football, etc. We don't need God, but we do need the companionship of like-minded people.

    But religion is still there, and it still has a lot of wealth and authority, although in reality, it doesn't deserve either.

    But as regards child abuse, I guess that if that is your 'thing', then you'd hang out where there were plenty of kids, where you'd have a bit of respectability, and where you might come across like-minded people. Hence teachers, priests, sports coaches, tend to throw up a high percentage of these perverts.

  5. #45

    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    We've done religion to death on here. This thread seems to prove there's an afterlife.......

  6. #46

    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    Quote Originally Posted by DubaiDai View Post
    Religion is the cause of most wars and atrocities around the world.
    OK, but my post was specifically about The Quakers who are pacifists and have a long tradition of resistance to military action.

  7. #47

    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew View Post
    You can't make an assumption and try and back it up with a generalisation. Think about what you've just written.

    You (we) don't know any of these things. The brain is a system that is continually trying to prove its own existence. We think we are in control of our brains but it's completely the other way around.

    Ask yourself this question. Are human beings getting closer and closer to developing conscious and independent AI? If the answer is yes, then ask yourself if it's possible that another life form could have already made simulations populated by conscious beings? If the answer is yes, then where does our existence fit it?

    Is the concept of a creator then a delusion?

    I'd also recommend reading Sophie's World by Jostein Gaarder.
    I go with science

    We know mental illness exists

    We are about as certain as we can be that once you die , that's it , no afterlife

    If that's a generalisation , I am guilty

  8. #48

    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    Fair enough, that's how you see it. I don't agree. I'll leave it now, because these threads just repeat themselves and nobody really listens to anyone elses point of view or even tries to see both sides of the discussion.

    One thing i will say, you have no business saying that i may have some secret religious leaning, like you're attempting to out me, or like it's some kind of sordid belief. If i was religious, i'd say so, why wouldn't i?
    I have no idea but you defend the right of people to believe in things that evidently don't exist so I have the right to suggest you may have a vested interest in doing that .

  9. #49

    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    Quote Originally Posted by Baloo View Post
    Problem is our life experience is in reality very limited Sludge. It's worth finding-out what those at the more liberal end of the religious spectrum believe as it's certainly not the above. I say that as a card-carrying Humanist.
    I listen to science and evidence

  10. #50

    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    Quote Originally Posted by tforturton View Post
    Back in the days of uneducated people, and before science, Man needed religion to make some sense of the world, to explain where we all came from, what we were doing here, and what happens when we die. Now, science has explained everything (okay, most things), and we no longer need religion. But we do need a sense of belonging, and that's why people join clubs, go to football, etc. We don't need God, but we do need the companionship of like-minded people.

    But religion is still there, and it still has a lot of wealth and authority, although in reality, it doesn't deserve either.

    But as regards child abuse, I guess that if that is your 'thing', then you'd hang out where there were plenty of kids, where you'd have a bit of respectability, and where you might come across like-minded people. Hence teachers, priests, sports coaches, tend to throw up a high percentage of these perverts.
    We have , mostly , moved on from the dark ages of drowning witches and potions and the belief that there is a god who is all powerful ......able to stop wars , heal the sick .....and omniprescent ......in everybody's lives , all the time , continually

    It's silly

    If someone goes to church then I don't block the gates stopping them going in

    But religious people picket abortion clinics and until very recently a lot of faiths condemn homosexuality as a sin .......and some still do

    As soon as someone says to me hi this is me and my wife and we are Christians I wish them the very best but as soon as any conversation around God comes up I am off shopping . I don't like to waste my time .

  11. #51

    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    I have no idea but you defend the right of people to believe in things that evidently don't exist so I have the right to suggest you may have a vested interest in doing that .
    A lot of non-religious people might still consider freedom of belief a human right. I donít see a contradiction there providing it doesnít interfere with the rights of others.

  12. #52

    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    Quote Originally Posted by Baloo View Post
    A lot of non-religious people might still consider freedom of belief a human right. I donít see a contradiction there providing it doesnít interfere with the rights of others.
    Propping up the churches and other places of worship could be argued to interfere with the lives of other people

    Homosexuality , women priests, gay marriage

    Do you think it was the power of the congregation that made the church more Liberal?

    I think it was the pressure from non religious society

    The Anglican Church now has women priests ........that was down to society . If the church had its way it would have kept the status quo and no progress would have been made .

  13. #53

    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Propping up the churches and other places of worship could be argued to interfere with the lives of other people

    Homosexuality , women priests, gay marriage

    Do you think it was the power of the congregation that made the church more Liberal?

    I think it was the pressure from non religious society

    The Anglican Church now has women priests ........that was down to society . If the church had its way it would have kept the status quo and no progress would have been made .
    Weíre talking at odds here. Some religious groups donít even have churches. My point was merely that there are a spectrum of beliefs, whilst your descriptions mostly apply to a specific type of religious believer, of which there of course many. The evidence is out there.

  14. #54

    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    Quote Originally Posted by Baloo View Post
    OK, but my post was specifically about The Quakers who are pacifists and have a long tradition of resistance to military action.
    The Quakers are indeed interesting. A retired doctor in my evening class is one and told me a little of what they do in their meetings.

  15. #55

    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    The Quakers are indeed interesting. A retired doctor in my evening class is one and told me a little of what they do in their meetings.
    They make lovely porridge

  16. #56

    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    Quote Originally Posted by tforturton View Post
    Back in the days of uneducated people, and before science, Man needed religion to make some sense of the world, to explain where we all came from, what we were doing here, and what happens when we die. Now, science has explained everything (okay, most things), and we no longer need religion. But we do need a sense of belonging, and that's why people join clubs, go to football, etc. We don't need God, but we do need the companionship of like-minded people.

    But religion is still there, and it still has a lot of wealth and authority, although in reality, it doesn't deserve either.

    But as regards child abuse, I guess that if that is your 'thing', then you'd hang out where there were plenty of kids, where you'd have a bit of respectability, and where you might come across like-minded people. Hence teachers, priests, sports coaches, tend to throw up a high percentage of these perverts.
    Good post.
    Spedger

  17. #57

    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    The Anglican Church now has women priests ........that was down to society . If the church had its way it would have kept the status quo and no progress would have been made .
    Issues like women priests, even women bishops now, marrying divorced people, acceptance of homosexuality and so on has come from society and from within the church, as the church looks to reflect society. People within church have fought for things like this, after all it's your average members of society that go to church.

  18. #58

    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    My favourite is the catholic stance on abortion in secular countries like the good ol' US of A.

  19. #59

    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    Quote Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK View Post
    My favourite is the catholic stance on abortion in secular countries like the good ol' US of A.
    There is a group called Christian mothers against masturbation.

  20. #60

    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Issues like women priests, even women bishops now, marrying divorced people, acceptance of homosexuality and so on has come from society and from within the church, as the church looks to reflect society. People within church have fought for things like this, after all it's your average members of society that go to church.
    I don't think people who are you average Joe go to church

    The kids who I grew up with and were cool to be with were not in church on a Sunday

    They were listening to metal , fishing and playing football

    The only reason why the church has changed is because society has demanded that it did

    It's still outdated though with little relevance to 2021

    I know people who give to the local food bank who are church goers and all goody goody and others who wouldn't be seen dead anywhere near a church yet give loads of money to save the children , the homeless etc

    Religion doesn't have a monopoly on child abuse but it also doesn't have a monopoly on good deeds either

    You can be a member of a train spotting club and do loads for charity

    I can't stand that saying to be good is to be a Christian

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