Did he go to heaven ?Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
Has he been in touch to say it's any good up there ?
Who is Thomas?
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I think religion no matter what faith is basically and fundamentally evil.
Did he go to heaven ?
Has he been in touch to say it's any good up there ?
Who is Thomas?
I said "for many people religion is hope"
These people I mention are causing no harm.
Keep on twisting words and getting angry, the majority of people who are religious aren't your bible belt racist nut job Christian type.
Who said I was angry? I'm chilling watching Unbeatable on BBC 1
Good for you.
Decent quiz ruined by the way they reveal the answers.
Don't set Sludge off again.
Dad was smart. Probably the last of the conservatives that you could at least understand where they were coming from even if you didn't agree with them. Son was/is an idiot. And certainly did more damage. He started an unwinnable war in Afghanistan. He destabilized the Middle East.
Yeah can't argue with that mate. Similar to Pointless being ruined by the smug twats presenting it.
BBC News - Church in Wales to give blessings for same-sex marriages
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-58427926
So they will bless two gay people but not allow them to marry ?
It's 2021
Some definitions:
Bigot: a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
Hate Crime: a hate crime is defined as 'Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice based on a person's race or perceived race; religion or perceived religion; sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation; disability or perceived disability and any crime motivated by hostility or prejudice against a person who is transgender or perceived to be transgender.’
Hypocrite: just one and the most apt regarding incessant and unnecessary attacks of other people’s beliefs and faiths is to preach tolerance but judge others who don't conform to their way of thinking e.g. criminalising rather than educating people who sing offensive songs at a football match by reporting them to the police. Or, supporting those with mental health issues whilst actively damaging the mental health of individuals whose belief systems are necessary for their wellbeing.
Some inconvenient truths:
About 90% of children who are victims of sexual abuse know their abuser.
Only 10% of sexually abused children are abused by a stranger.
Approximately 30% of children who are sexually abused are abused by family members.
The younger the victim, the more likely it is that the abuser is a family member.
Of those molesting a child under six, 50% are family members.
Family members also accounted for 23% of those abusing children ages 12 to 17.
About 60% of children who are sexually abused are abused by people the family trusts.
It was a conservative government that pushed for and introduced same-sex marriage. The Conservative Party: senior Conservatives, including David Cameron, William Hague, George Osborne, and Theresa May supported the bill. Polling showed that the majority of Conservative voters supported the bill.
Read articles in hyperlinks in full before commenting as thread titles can be misleading.
A common misconception of the definition of an anarchist (me) is someone who is intolerant and believes in lawlessness. There are many types of anarchists as, indeed, there are many types of faith systems.
Attempting to eradicate religion without accepting the potential and likelihood of corruption and abuse in secular, atheist, or agnostic communities and institutions is futile.
It is better to find something to love rather than hate.
You can criticise and mock the edifice of religion without hating it . I find much of it highly amusing .
@Citizens Nephew: “Hypocrite: just one and the most apt regarding incessant and unnecessary attacks of other people’s beliefs and faiths is to preach tolerance but judge others who don't conform to their way of thinking e.g. criminalising rather than educating people who sing offensive songs at a football match by reporting them to the police. Or, supporting those with mental health issues whilst actively damaging the mental health of individuals whose belief systems are necessary for their wellbeing.“
I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed the hypocrisy. Well played, Sir. Check mate. 👏
Absolute gold. Hadn't noticed that was a pretty long post!
Because you included your answers to my post in the main body of my original post and didn't use quotation wrap tags it looks as if the text was part of my original post, so, for clarification to other readers and that I do not want your answers to be confused with my position, therefore, for clarity and record I have included them in the following repost (apologies to readers as my post was very long but I'm sure you understand my desire for clarity). I've no intention of continuing further discussion or dialogue but for my own peace of mind needed to write something that actually deals with the OP and the BBC report. I'm sure the vast majority will see there is no intent to cover up serious child sexual abuse in religious or any other groups.
This is the last I will post on the subject.
My original post & Sludge's answers:
Some definitions:
Bigot: a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
Sludge's answerHate Crime: a hate crime is defined as 'Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice based on a person's race or perceived race; religion or perceived religion; sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation; disability or perceived disability and any crime motivated by hostility or prejudice against a person who is transgender or perceived to be transgender.’That covers a lot of religious followers . Look no further than Northern Ireland
Sludge's AnswerHypocrite: just one and the most apt regarding incessant and unnecessary attacks of other people’s beliefs and faiths is to preach tolerance but judge others who don't conform to their way of thinking e.g. criminalising rather than educating people who sing offensive songs at a football match by reporting them to the police. Or, supporting those with mental health issues whilst actively damaging the mental health of individuals whose belief systems are necessary for their wellbeing.See above
Sludge's AnswerSome inconvenient truths:If you think it is better to try and educate people singing racist or offensive songs give it a try . You are completely wasting your time , that approach has been used for years
About 90% of children who are victims of sexual abuse know their abuser.
Only 10% of sexually abused children are abused by a stranger.
Approximately 30% of children who are sexually abused are abused by family members.
The younger the victim, the more likely it is that the abuser is a family member.
Of those molesting a child under six, 50% are family members.
Family members also accounted for 23% of those abusing children ages 12 to 17.
About 60% of children who are sexually abused are abused by people the family trusts.
Sludge's AnswerIt was a conservative government that pushed for and introduced same-sex marriage. The Conservative Party: senior Conservatives, including David Cameron, William Hague, George Osborne, and Theresa May supported the bill. Polling showed that the majority of Conservative voters supported the bill.That doesn't answer the question as to why there have been 18 reports into child abuse in churches and spiritual groups in 3 years . Denial gets us nowhere .
Sludge's AnswerRead articles in hyperlinks in full before commenting as thread titles can be misleading.Cameron was to the left of the tory Party but they did it to get away from their image as the nasty party
A common misconception of the definition of an anarchist (me) is someone who is intolerant and believes in lawlessness. There are many types of anarchists as, indeed, there are many types of faith systems.
Sludge's AnswerAttempting to eradicate religion without accepting the potential and likelihood of corruption and abuse in secular, atheist, or agnostic communities and institutions is futile.Indeed but there is a serious problem I faith groups that people are still afraid to confront
Sludge's AnswerIt is better to find something to love rather than hate.If abuse was less of an issue in faith communities then this conversation wouldn't be taking place . Denial of its existence and comparing it to levels of abuse in society is used by faith groups to deflect criticism, some are continuing to do it
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Yet again we have a religious follower saying there is no attempt to cover up abuse by religious groups
That's unbelievable
Bollocks
I read the post , he completely avoids child abuse in the church
Mind you avoiding child abuse is something a lot of people have in common , don't they ?
Tell em off .......as you say 🤔
The vast majority will see there is no attempt to cover up child abuse in the church , religious groups ?
This is a joke ?
Now I know you are in dreamworld , its been going on for years !
How dare you accuse me of such a thing! You do not even comprehend what I posted because you are in denial of your constant abusive and hypocritical behaviour. Of course your statement is unbelievable because it’s absolutely untrue! I am neither a religious follower nor saying there is no attempt to cover up abuse. What’s wrong with you Sludge? Can you not understand what I posted and why I posted it. This is about your intolerance. You’ve really crossed a line here Sludge and it deserves a retraction and apology.
You said the vast majority can see there is no intent to cover up serious abuse in religious groups
That's what you wrote
Now either you didn't type it or you didn't mean to type it but that's what is there
There is and has been been countless attempts by faith groups to do exactly this for years and years
I only wrote it because you f*cked up your response to me and I had to repost your reply to make it clear your answers were not part of my original post. It was in the context of that reply i.e. the vast majority can see there is no intent (by me) to cover up serious abuse in religious groups. You have made huge assumptions and presumptions about me and I really can’t believe I am having to defend myself because I’m pretty sure I’ve made myself very clear about this. I’m really disappointed it has come to this as my intent was to offer some balance and tolerance. I’ve clearly failed.
You haven't failed however in your earlier response you were , in my view , suggesting that child abuse was no more a problem in faith groups than it was in society in general and certainly less prevalent than by family members . You will have to forgive me for thinking .........this report is about sexual abuse in the church .......and your navigation was leaning very clearly away from the issue . To the point where I felt you were missing the point of the original post .
That's my view .
We can drag up the past if you wish. But you know it won't be me getting angry and threatening solicitors eh.
Well to be fair you were not avoiding the issue of child abuse , you directly accused me of being a sex offender , which is even worse
But true to form a few months later you were on the subject like a leech , this time saying we should deal with offensive abusive chanting about kids with a telling off rather than getting lifted ......although someone else would have to do that ......not you ......as you were never at the games when it was taking place or on the coaches going to games as you don't watch the team because your daughter finds it boring
You really are odd
If I had children I wouldn't be pretending to be a cardiff fan and coming on here talking cobblers when I could be at home spending time with my family
I have told you before you name me on here and imply I am a sex offender and I will serve you up on a plate
You can easily find out what my name is
Do it
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