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What's your view on this?
Would UB40 be a thing now, given that most of them were white.
It's nonsense
There are posters of colour/black posters on here so perhaps they should be given the space to speak first.
My initial impression is that there's going to be a range of responses to this and some I find myself agreeing with (Sheryl Nwosu's) and some which I definitely don't (London Hughes).
As a person of non colour ,I feel the world has gone madOriginally Posted by surge
Why can't anyone comment first, or have I been whooshed?
Flip this around and say there was a disagreement that a black man or woman couldn't present a show on say classical music. Would that be wrong?
I think positions like this should be filled by those most qualified and talented to do so, regardless of skin colour or background.
Not sure Cheryl Cole meets the qualified and talented label but still...
But they're often not filled by those most qualified and talented to do so, historically with a strong bias towards white people. Which is kinda the point people are making regarding this case.
Are folk saying that only black people should represent / comment on R & B or Soul as I would have though there has been many white folk who have been defined as a great soul or R&B voice or sound .
I remember in he early years Zeppelin were referred too as a white man blues sound .
Steve Marriott had a wonderful voice and guitar for the blues and R&B .
I don't think anybody's saying that but I look forward to Craig David's podcast on country and western music which will be out soon
Bloody racist.
Country music's origins are in a large part derived from music originating on the plantations. The banjo is an African instrument.
Not sure I've heard much about that.
Can you fill me in?
not the point you're making , I know, but sometimes it's just as interesting to see something you're familiar with through someone else's eyes who is completely fresh to it as hearing someone who's an expert talk about it.
this reaction video (that's been going around for years) of someone listening to RATM for the first time never fails to bring a smile to the face.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eUxQ2_CQlw
Craig David on country could be just as intoxicating.
It's a nonsense.
Get the feeling some would also be unhappy if they said only a black person can host this rnb show.
Exactly this.
You can't please everybody.
This example with Cheryl Cole you have most people who want equality while others want to be able to celebrate our differences so there is a cross over there for starters. I'm not sure how the two can coexist without some friction.
You then get all of the other arguments thrown into the mix.
People seem to want to be offended in this day and age and seek out reasons to feel that way. Cheryl Cole got the gig, so what.
You could argue this is an attack on Cheryl Cole's colour and being .
The argument against positive discrimination is that it should always be the best person for the job.
She isn’t even the best person for the job
I'm entitled to agree but many are simply saying she should be excluded because she is white.
It is wrong whether it is black people saying a white person can't do a certain job or vice versa.
Argue that she's crap, fair enough.
But that is a separate argument in my eyes.
I know the BBC have not brought up the race issue here (many that have commented on it within the article have) but if this was simply a 'Cheryl Cole is not the right person because she isn't talented enough' article does it get as many clicks?
It seems we have to shoehorn race into almost every argument that we can these days. Should the position be exclusively for black people? No. It should have been given to the most deserving though definitely.
You could.
I'm not sure if they're saying she isn't good enough it couldn't just stay at that though.
Why does her being white have to be a factor?
White people can like R'n'B and have opinions on it too.
I've got no doubt that there are many instances of cultural appropriation and it has a damaging effect on the livelihoods and culture of minority groups.
I think part of the issue is with the internet these days people's culture is changing faster than ever.
I am vaguely aware of numbers of young people in the UK and USA with a genuine interests in Korean pop groups. Not my cup of tea, but each to their own.
If they grow up listening to k-pop, then some of them start to make their own music - if they do it in the style of a korean artist - or even with some Korean lyrics - is that cultural appropriation ? or is that what their culture now IS? should they instead make a different style of music they have no knowledge of or interest in?
I think if everyone was forced to "stay in their own lane" so to speak it would be even more damaging than the alternative.
As for Cheryl Cole - it does seem as though she's perhaps not the ideal choice for this podcast. I can definitely understand the frustration black artists must have when this sort of thing goes on.
On the other hand she is REALLY famous - she's not got the gig because she knows the most about R&B out of any potential presenter, but because she's a huge name, and more people will probably listen to it with her name on it. If that ends up getting people interested in R&B who wouldn't otherwise have listened then it might not be all bad.
As a middle aged white guy in the UK it is pretty hard to think of an example that is anything like the same though.
I don't think that your comparison with Korean pop music is the best, in my opinion. I guess that the angle of this article is UK based, and relating to black people in this country being overlooked for jobs where they maybe best suited. Not my words, that of the article, before anyone wants to have a go.
Historically, South Koreans have not been discriminated against in the UK, or by Western Culture, not that i am aware of anyway. Although i'm sure Feedback will find something in his locker from the 11th centurySo, the comparison you makeis sort of coming from an historical level playing field, it's not like white culture has had a negative effect on South Korean people in terms of progress and opportunity. To me, there has to be some historical context.
I do see the argument in this line of thinking, but I think endlessly saying that skin colour matters so much just amplifies difference, which is the opposite to what we should be doing.I don't think that your comparison with Korean pop music is the best, in my opinion. I guess that the angle of this article is UK based, and relating to black people in this country being overlooked for jobs where they maybe best suited. Not my words, that of the article, before anyone wants to have a go.
Historically, South Koreans have not been discriminated against in the UK, or by Western Culture, not that i am aware of anyway. Although i'm sure Feedback will find something in his locker from the 11th century
BAME people are generally over-represented on TV compared to the population, and thats fine, but it means it cant be used as an argument all the time to say they are not. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-suggests.html
It's all very messy and I think as a multicultural society we should all learn from and enjoy a variety of cultures, without guardians or political agendas deciding that it is for one or other culture based on our skin colours or where our parents happened to be born.
I just think identity politics is like a hammer slowly knocking away at a small fracture in society
that example was more to do with cultures changing rapidly at the moment.I don't think that your comparison with Korean pop music is the best, in my opinion. I guess that the angle of this article is UK based, and relating to black people in this country being overlooked for jobs where they maybe best suited. Not my words, that of the article, before anyone wants to have a go.
Historically, South Koreans have not been discriminated against in the UK, or by Western Culture, not that i am aware of anyway. Although i'm sure Feedback will find something in his locker from the 11th century
if one of my kids develops a deep interest in black music and then spends their whole childhood voraciously listening to it at every opportunity then is that not their culture as well?
it may not be the same as someone who is black appreciating it, there may not be the same link to the lyrics etc but if it's the only culture they know then that's their culture in my opinion, so I think we may have to accept as time goes on that cultures are going to merge a lot more than historically.
I think what is important is not preventing that, but ensuring that people from minority cultures aren't excluded from the success and opportunities associated with it.
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