Priti Patel issues orders to turn them boats around

[JamesWales]

No you process them for asylum and then decide if you let them in or not. Which is the legal and correct way to handle migrants trying to enter a country.

Asylum seekers from France?

[Rjk]

What the French do is intercept the boats in the channel and then escort them further across, leaving them in British waters for us to deal with. All they are interested in is getting rid.

the French have already stated that they will try to prevent boats from launching, and stop the criminal gangs, but will not stop boats that have already launched as that could be dangerous and lead to loss of life.
if they are floundering and request help them they will if course save them.

that seems to be a sensible approach to take, surely nobody wants anyone to needlessly die because of this?

[Croesy Blue]

Asylum seekers from France?

People seeking asylum here are made of largely of people from Afghanistan, syria, Iraq and Iran.

The U.K. already takes less than France, Germany, Italy and Spain. Maybe if we set up a more official way of seeking asylum in the U.K. rather than ignoring it and trying not to do our bit we wouldn’t need a callous **** of an MP trying this PR bullshit.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

So no solution then? No ideas? No proposals?

Lots of words, lots of virtue-signalling. No actual solution?

Aye , build more housing , we need the workers to look after our elderly

The original poster works in construction , maybe he can make a few quid

[JamesWales]

People seeking asylum here are made of largely of people from Afghanistan, syria, Iraq and Iran.

The U.K. already takes less than France, Germany, Italy and Spain. Maybe if we set up a more official way of seeking asylum in the U.K. rather than ignoring it and trying not to do our bit we wouldn’t need a callous **** of an MP trying this PR bullshit.

The point is, there is a formal and proper way to do this, and this isnt it.

I would agree that the UK should take it's fair share of migrants and I agree in humanitarian rescues of people in danger (notable how few mentioned the UK's airlifts from Kabul).

The point is that you cannot have a system that allows anyone to enter without any checks or controls and in a way that empowers and emboldens the trade in human trafficking.

The current system is NOT working. Something needs to change. At least now you have come up with some ideas instead of just insulting me, so thats progress at least.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

No, I'm trying to have a sensible conversation with people who don't even acknowledge an issue. And then resort to insults.

Her solution .......is to break international maritime law

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[Croesy Blue]

The point is, there is a formal and proper way to do this, and this isnt it.

I would agree that the UK should take it's fair share of migrants and I agree in humanitarian rescues of people in danger (notable how few mentioned the UK's airlifts from Kabul).

The point is that you cannot have a system that allows anyone to enter without any checks or controls and in a way that empowers and emboldens the trade in human trafficking.

The current system is NOT working. Something needs to change. At least now you have come up with some ideas instead of just insulting me, so thats progress at least.

Seeking asylum is legal and there are checks. If the U.K. government this system isn’t working maybe they should propose a solution that isn’t just a PR line for their follows who have a weird obsession with immigration despite there being a shit ton of things that are more pressing issues for us.

[JamesWales]

Her solution .......is to break international maritime law

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It's highly unlikely that how the media are reporting this story is an accurate state of affairs.

The point is, this is an issue that needs solving. It's a problem, it serves no one. Doing nothing, or retaining the status quo is not an option.

[Croesy Blue]

It's highly unlikely that how the media are reporting this story is an accurate state of affairs.

football fans aren’t even this blinkered ffs

[JamesWales]

Seeking asylum is legal and there are checks. If the U.K. government this system isn’t working maybe they should propose a solution that isn’t just a PR line for their follows who have a weird obsession with immigration despite there being a shit ton of things that are more pressing issues for us.

It's not for you to decide what the countries issues are. Different people have different concerns. But otherwise I am pleased you recognise the current system isn't working.

Now finding a sensible, humane and fair route forward is critical. That may include some tough talking to try and clamp down on a trade that is an exploitation in misery run by criminal gangs.

Defending the current situation is NOT defending migrants. It's taking the wealthiest, fleecing them of £3,000 to hand to criminal gangs.

[Croesy Blue]

Mate you’re defending stopping them in the middle of the sea and turning them round don’t try and get on your high horse now.

People can think the minuscule number of migrants are our biggest issue all they want, they’d be pretty wide of the mark with a collapsing health service, financial institutions leaving the country and an education system that isn’t fit for purpose.

[lardy]

An Afghan interpreter worked for the British but is left behind. He makes it to France where he's attacked, mistreated by the police. He feels he'll be safe in England. He speaks English. He has friends here, family. He can get work.

Now do you see why he crosses the Channel?

— David Schneider (@davidschneider) September 9, 2021

[Croesy Blue]

We’ve been discussing the obvious reasons people cross the channel for years, the people who still don’t understand it don’t want to understand it.

[life on mars]

Her solution .......is to break international maritime law

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No she can under law change it its our waters every country has different /unique maritime laws in its own waters rules Greece has done this to Turkey .

There is a longer story line hear ,France wanted more money form us , they go it , we asked to set up a joint process on French land France said no , France now says its because of bugger boats instead of small dingy that has caused the increase in numbers , surely its easier to spot large boats .

I think one need to take away the hatred of a Tory or Priti Patel and see under the real issues , is France doing a bit of feet dragging or looking for some other concession because of Brexit , this is called politics and lets be fair the French are never going to want to fix this as it unloads some burden , it seems Patel is constantly in negotiations with French counterparts , this discussions fails and we get his type of hard ball , this is the tactics most countries / organisations use including unions to up the anti of negotiations and make a headline ??

My view is asylum seeking should be done at the point of fleeing a country at the first border reached .

[Divine Wright]

What's your solution? Or do you just ignore it and insult anyone with a different view or who tries to address and acknowledge issues?

What would you do?

And yes, this is a part of the global human trafficking trade. It absolutely is.

And no, not everyone arriving in boats is fleeing war.

And no, they aren't all good, honourable people. Some are. Some aren't. Most destroy ID so we have no idea.

There is a process and this isnt it.

We all know, just some are willing to address it, and some are happy with fingers in ears insulting people and shouting racist.

Seems to me that if that boat arrived in shore with hundred or so id-less people, you’d be inclined to send them all back just in case there are a few bad eggs amongst them.

My solution would be to let the bad eggs in with good ones…..deal with it afterwards. Bad people are a part of life. This isn’t disneyland.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

It's highly unlikely that how the media are reporting this story is an accurate state of affairs.

The point is, this is an issue that needs solving. It's a problem, it serves no one. Doing nothing, or retaining the status quo is not an option.

So now you are defending Patel ?

Are you giving her one ?

[lardy]

No she can under law change it its our waters every country has different /unique maritime laws in its own waters rules Greece has done this to Turkey .

There is a longer story line hear ,France wanted more money form us , they go it , we asked to set up a joint process on French land France said no , France now says its because of bugger boats instead of small dingy that has caused the increase in numbers , surely its easier to spot large boats .

I think one need to take away the hatred of a Tory or Priti Patel and see under the real issues , is France doing a bit of feet dragging or looking for some other concession because of Brexit , this is called politics and lets be fair the French are never going to want to fix this as it unloads some burden , it seems Patel is constantly in negotiations with French counterparts , this discussions fails and we get his type of hard ball , this is the tactics most countries / organisations use including unions to up the anti of negotiations and make a headline ??

My view is asylum seeking should be done at the point of fleeing a country at the first border reached .

That's not how maritime law works.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

No she can under law change it its our waters every country has different /unique maritime laws in its own waters rules Greece has done this to Turkey .

There is a longer story line hear ,France wanted more money form us , they go it , we asked to set up a joint process on French land France said no , France now says its because of bugger boats instead of small dingy that has caused the increase in numbers , surely its easier to spot large boats .

I think one need to take away the hatred of a Tory or Priti Patel and see under the real issues , is France doing a bit of feet dragging or looking for some other concession because of Brexit , this is called politics and lets be fair the French are never going to want to fix this as it unloads some burden , it seems Patel is constantly in negotiations with French counterparts , this discussions fails and we get his type of hard ball , this is the tactics most countries / organisations use including unions to up the anti of negotiations and make a headline ??

My view is asylum seeking should be done at the point of fleeing a country at the first border reached .

You are trying your best to be fair

[Croesy Blue]

My view is asylum seeking should be done at the point of fleeing a country at the first border reached .

I wonder what the issues with this could be?

Let’s ask the people from Yemen or the people from Georgia and Armenia.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Let's get down to it

People who shout close the borders , put the army on standby at Dover......actually want this done

Literally

This is the sort of headline they love