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    One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    Religious groups in UK failing children over sex abuse, report says https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58420270

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    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    Religious groups in UK failing children over sex abuse, report says https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58420270
    oh yes

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    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    The world would be a far better place without religion.
    We are born
    We live our life
    We die
    We rot in the ground
    That just about sums it up
    No gods or greater beings involved

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    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    Quote Originally Posted by willo1927 View Post
    The world would be a far better place without religion.
    We are born
    We live our life
    We die
    We rot in the ground
    That just about sums it up
    No gods or greater beings involved
    There are quite a wide variety of religious views to be fair. We mostly hear about the more fundamentalist types.

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    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    Quote Originally Posted by Baloo View Post
    There are quite a wide variety of religious views to be fair. We mostly hear about the more fundamentalist types.

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    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    Quote Originally Posted by Baloo View Post
    There are quite a wide variety of religious views to be fair. We mostly hear about the more fundamentalist types.
    And they can shove them where the sun doesn't shine.

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    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    Quote Originally Posted by Baloo View Post
    There are quite a wide variety of religious views to be fair. We mostly hear about the more fundamentalist types.
    If it makes one happy and they believe doing “good” will make them go in to a better place, let them be I say. It’s when they harp on to others about it or get fundamental is the issue for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
    If it makes one happy and they believe doing “good” will make them go in to a better place, let them be I say. It’s when they harp on to others about it or get fundamental is the issue for me.
    Or when they hide things like child abuse because they don't want their imaginary friend to get a bad name. Get rid of religion and we'd evolve as a race.

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    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    Quote Originally Posted by willo1927 View Post
    And they can shove them where the sun doesn't shine.
    Hell?

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    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    Quote Originally Posted by willo1927 View Post
    And they can shove them where the sun doesn't shine.
    Youíre sounding pretty fundamentalist yourself there. Religious groups like The Quakers accept members who are Non Theist and donít actually believe in the supernatural or a divine being for instance. They do some great work however around justice, peace building and social action. The world would likely be a bit of a worse place if their beliefs were shoved where the sun donít shine imo.

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    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    Quote Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927 View Post
    Or when they hide things like child abuse because they don't want their imaginary friend to get a bad name. Get rid of religion and we'd evolve as a race.
    That would be a great thesis for a university student.

    I wonder what proportion of child abuse is committed by 'non-religious' people.

    I wonder what proportion of child abuse is committed by those with a mental health issue.

    I wonder what proportion of child abuse is committed by those who are wealthy / in power.

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    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    Quote Originally Posted by Baloo View Post
    You’re sounding pretty fundamentalist yourself there. Religious groups like The Quakers accept members who are Non Theist and don’t actually believe in the supernatural or a divine being for instance. They do some great work however around justice, peace building and social action. The world would likely be a bit of a worse place if their beliefs were shoved where the sun don’t shine imo.

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    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    I'm not a believer, although I can see the appeal of faith and the collective power of a religion. However, it's wrong to oppose the concept of religion due to some bad eggs.

    Many societies have tried to eradicate religion and they are always worse than the ones that were tolerant of it; Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Even Hitler oppressed the church.

    Religious fundementalism is just as bad if not worse, but religion isn't the problem; an extreme interpretation of it is.

    The problem is always an extreme interpretation; whether its national identity, socialism, islam, christianity..whatever.

    No doubt loads of truly awful people have hidden behind religion and those religions have helped them hide and do awful acts, but we shouldn't tar the entire concept of religion with that brush.

    Just as how for centuries churches have organised and supported housing and food for the poor doesn't mean we overlook them when they do appalling things.

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    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    I'm not a believer, although I can see the appeal of faith and the collective power of a religion. However, it's wrong to oppose the concept of religion due to some bad eggs.

    Many societies have tried to eradicate religion and they are always worse than the ones that were tolerant of it; Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Even Hitler oppressed the church.

    Religious fundementalism is just as bad if not worse, but religion isn't the problem; an extreme interpretation of it is.

    The problem is always an extreme interpretation; whether its national identity, socialism, islam, christianity..whatever.

    No doubt loads of truly awful people have hidden behind religion and those religions have helped them hide and do awful acts, but we shouldn't tar the entire concept of religion with that brush.

    Just as how for centuries churches have organised and supported housing and food for the poor doesn't mean we overlook them when they do appalling things.
    Hitler may have opposed the church but the roman Catholic popes definitely supported him

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    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    Quote Originally Posted by willo1927 View Post
    The world would be a far better place without religion.
    We are born
    We live our life
    We die
    We rot in the ground
    That just about sums it up
    No gods or greater beings involved
    Aye

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    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Hitler may have opposed the church but the roman Catholic popes definitely supported him
    I think they saw the writing on the wall as much as anything and were pretty gutless in opposition. Which is definitely a criticism of the catholic church, but at that time in europe, atheists were murdering people due to their faith, so its definitely not a story that advocates militant atheism either.

    It's all about balance and tolerance really. There's good and bad in everyone, every country, every religion etc etc

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    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    You don't have to be a person of faith to do good things

    That's what annoys me about religious people

    They think it's god influencing them to do good things

    It's bollocks

    You don't have to go to church or be religious to do good things or be kind

    You can be a member of the local chess club and still be kind and help the homeless

    People are human beings and in general don't do something for nothing

    People who go to church and pray do so because they want to get to this place called heaven

    They help the poor because they think it will make God think they are good people and he will look after them

    Some bloke who is on the dole and gives a quid to a homeless person is every bit as good a person as the couple all dressed up singing in church on a Sunday

    My view is there probably isn't a god but if there is I will have done enough to have be let into his paradise

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    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    I think they saw the writing on the wall as much as anything and were pretty gutless in opposition. Which is definitely a criticism of the catholic church, but at that time in europe, atheists were murdering people due to their faith, so its definitely not a story that advocates militant atheism either.

    It's all about balance and tolerance really. There's good and bad in everyone, every country, every religion etc etc
    I agree with that

    Apart from jacks

    All vermin

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    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    All institutions, religious or not (royal family, media, education, sports clubs, churches and workplaces etc) are often breeding grounds for sexual abuse and sexual misconduct.

    The particular issue with religious institutions where this happens is particularly gruelling as they 'pretend' and set themselves up as the 'good' and morally superior than the rest of us.

    MANY religious institutions are however leading the way in safeguarding children in their emergency response programs. But I can't tell you how many people, who would define themselves as 'religious', I have investigated for child abuse here in Uganda and other parts of the world using their religion, mission or church as a cover for their behaviour.

    However they would probably do it anyway, even without their religious cover, and just find another way to do it.

    The thing we need to be better at is tearing organisations apart when they have been found to actively cover stuff up.

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    Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

    Quote Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird View Post
    All institutions, religious or not (royal family, media, education, sports clubs, churches and workplaces etc) are often breeding grounds for sexual abuse and sexual misconduct.

    The particular issue with religious institutions where this happens is particularly gruelling as they 'pretend' and set themselves up as the 'good' and morally superior than the rest of us.

    MANY religious institutions are however leading the way in safeguarding children in their emergency response programs. But I can't tell you how many people, who would define themselves as 'religious', I have investigated for child abuse here in Uganda and other parts of the world using their religion, mission or church as a cover for their behaviour.

    However they would probably do it anyway, even without their religious cover, and just find another way to do it.

    The thing we need to be better at is tearing organisations apart when they have been found to actively cover stuff up.
    The Catholic Church has covered up and provided cover for child abuse for hundreds of years

    These safeguarding children departments are laughable , run by the pope

    It's like giving a robber your credit card

    Religion is archaic and based on fairy tales and fantasy

    Science is progress and this is what should be fed to our children , not fake stories about making blind men see and disabled people suddenly being able to walk because the son of God blessed them 🙏

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