Is violence to genuine football fans what religion is to actual Christianity?

[Taunton Blue Genie]

The big contradiction being that this only applies to non-believers in the eyes of believers. As a non-believer it's irrelevant.

It's not really a contradiction. Dem's da rules for those in da club.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I've read it more than once as well.

And you have said that more than once too

Why bother reading a thread about Christianity if you know there will be people justifying it , people argue in against it and people taking the piss

You know the score , go and do a crossword or something

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Being a good person and helping others does not qualify as being a Christian in itself and non-believers shouldn't expect a benevolent ticket to the afterlife based purely on good deeds:

John 3:36: “He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

John 3:18: "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God."

Thessalonians 1:8-9
"In flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might"

Deuteronomy 28:47-48 ESV / 38 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
Because you did not serve the Lord your God with joyfulness and gladness of heart, because of the abundance of all things, therefore you shall serve your enemies whom the Lord will send against you, in hunger and thirst, in nakedness, and lacking everything. And he will put a yoke of iron on your neck until he has destroyed you.

Deuteronomy 28:47-48
"Because you did not serve the Lord your God with joyfulness and gladness of heart, because of the abundance of all things, therefore you shall serve your enemies whom the Lord will send against you, in hunger and thirst, in nakedness, and lacking everything. And he will put a yoke of iron on your neck until he has destroyed you"

Well if that's what God is like I will stick to Black Sabbath

Sounds like right nasty git

[Its been emotional]

Maybe God as people think of him/her died years ago and nobody bothered telling the masses???

[dembethewarrior]

And you have said that more than once too

Why bother reading a thread about Christianity if you know there will be people justifying it , people argue in against it and people taking the piss

You know the score , go and do a crossword or something

Well done.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

It's not really a contradiction. Dem's da rules for those in da club.

I am joining another club

[cityhammer]

Religion has rightly has been criticised on a recent thread - but do the majority who oppose religion realise that just as the genuine City fan has often been confused with those seeking mindless violence, genuine Christianity is not to be confused with dead man-made religion?

Surely all religions are man-made, so the whole basis of the question is flawed.

[truthpaste]

Surely all religions are man-made, so the whole basis of the question is flawed.

Correct, all religion is man's attempt to make himself acceptable to a Holy God.

Although many would class following Christ to also be a religion (hence your above comment) then I will explain the difference as revealed in the Bible:-

1. We are informed - "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" - in other words despite our best efforts, we will not make it, like swimming from Ireland to New York no matter how well we can swim, we will perish.
Therefore we are all guilty before God and without hope of saving ourselves. Hence religion is hopeless.

2. Christ offers to pay our fine and stand in our place, meaning He offers us the Gift of being saved from the penalty of our rebellion/ sin/ failure - whatever you wish to call it. He acheived the ability to offer us this by suffering and dying at Calvary after He had lived a sinless life and therefore needn't have died at all - ie He laid down His life for you & me.

The Bible puts it this way > "But God showed his great love for us by sending Christ to die for us while we were still sinners" (Romans 5:8).

If you have any questions on this then please fire away

[cityhammer]

Correct, all religion is man's attempt to make himself acceptable to a Holy God.

Although many would class following Christ to also be a religion (hence your above comment) then I will explain the difference as revealed in the Bible:-

1. We are informed - "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" - in other words despite our best efforts, we will not make it, like swimming from Ireland to New York no matter how well we can swim, we will perish.
Therefore we are all guilty before God and without hope of saving ourselves. Hence religion is hopeless.

2. Christ offers to pay our fine and stand in our place, meaning He offers us the Gift of being saved from the penalty of our rebellion/ sin/ failure - whatever you wish to call it. He acheived the ability to offer us this by suffering and dying at Calvary after He had lived a sinless life and therefore needn't have died at all - ie He laid down His life for you & me.

The Bible puts it this way > "But God showed his great love for us by sending Christ to die for us while we were still sinners" (Romans 5:8).

If you have any questions on this then please fire away

I think you'll actually find that all religions are man made to keep the lower classes in check and make them work harder on earth in the hope of a better afterlife. As Marx said, Religion is the opiate of the people. Religion is the drug that is used to control the masses.

I cant decide if you are being serious or ironic, but any intelligent person who believes in religion, is by definition, not that intelligent.

[truthpaste]

I think you'll actually find that all religions are man made to keep the lower classes in check and make them work harder on earth in the hope of a better afterlife. As Marx said, Religion is the opiate of the people. Religion is the drug that is used to control the masses.

I cant decide if you are being serious or ironic, but any intelligent person who believes in religion, is by definition, not that intelligent.

So only simple people have 'religion' as you put it, yet you currently don't seem to appreciate the point being made here, that what is freely offered is not dead religion at all, but a living relationship?

[truthpaste]

I think you'll actually find that all religions are man made to keep the lower classes in check and make them work harder on earth in the hope of a better afterlife. As Marx said, Religion is the opiate of the people. Religion is the drug that is used to control the masses.

I cant decide if you are being serious or ironic, but any intelligent person who believes in religion, is by definition, not that intelligent.

On this point, I know many current professors who trust God on a daily basis and for their eternal soul. In fact the man who invented MRI which itself has saved countless lives, believes in the God of the Bible and trusts in Christ.

However, while most of us don't take a great deal of interest in top scientists, here's someone we've all heard of:-

“Put God first in everything you do … Everything that I have is by the grace of God, understand that. It’s a gift … I didn’t always stick with Him, but He stuck with me.” – Denzel Washington

[truthpaste]

With the switch to miserable weather, dark clouds over the CCS and the immediate future at CCFC, grab yourself a hot drink and listen to someone (mentioned above) who knows what it takes to change things for the better.

Wise words from Denzel Washington >> CLIP