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    But weve got blue passports mun.!!

    https://amp-theguardian-com.cdn.ampp...us-for-britain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    I saw this earlier on the guardian, then one of my favourite middle class lefty friends on FB posted it at lunch and so I knew one of you lot would be all over it soon.

    My goodness, an anti brexit article in the guardian using cherry picked statistics that even at a quick glance through contains numerous inaccuracies.

    I'll expect to read a balanced a view on the koran by T.Robinson before I read a balanced assessment of Brexit from there. It's pointless stressing this to you guys by now, if you are determined to only read the bad news, much of which isn't accurately presented either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    I saw this earlier on the guardian, then one of my favourite middle class lefty friends on FB posted it at lunch and so I knew one of you lot would be all over it soon.

    My goodness, an anti brexit article in the guardian using cherry picked statistics that even at a quick glance through contains numerous inaccuracies.

    I'll expect to read a balanced a view on the koran by T.Robinson before I read a balanced assessment of Brexit from there. It's pointless stressing this to you guys by now, if you are determined to only read the bad news, much of which isn't accurately presented either.


    Fair play, James. A weaker man would have given up trying to educate us all by now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swiss Peter View Post


    Fair play, James. A weaker man would have given up trying to educate us all by now!
    You know you are being played, thats the frustrating thing!

    I literally posted up data yesterday showing the Eurozone manufacturing sector is in recession (the UK's isnt) and no one cares.

    Yet, an article in which, wait for it, the anecdotal comments from the esteemed Kenneth Mackenzie who has run a high-end men’s casualwear business called 6876, based in London since 1995 wets everyones knickers.

    F**k me, it's like an article on crime in the UK that ignores crime data, but then interviews Mrs Goggins from Pontyspunky who had her pants stolen from her washing line last month.

    Anything to tell the readers what they want to believe! Does my tits in!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Swiss Peter View Post


    Fair play, James. A weaker man would have given up trying to educate us all by now!
    I’m sure we wouldn’t take it personally if he did give up mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    I’m sure we wouldn’t take it personally if he did give up mind.
    I hope he doesn't.

    It would be dull in here without the challenge.

    It would be nice if we could have someone presenting that challenge in a less patronising and more compelling way, but we can't have everything!

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    The lady from Cowbridge made me laugh.

    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/a...blame-24642621

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    "We are Great Britain and we will be getting Greater."

    😂😂😂😂😂

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    "We are Great Britain and we will be getting Greater."

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    Probably more realistic than this:

    "We are not the envy of the world anymore," he added, "We are the crackpot aunty in the corner that everyone laughs at."

    The guys twitter. He sounds like a man-toddler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Probably more realistic than this:

    "We are not the envy of the world anymore," he added, "We are the crackpot aunty in the corner that everyone laughs at."

    The guys twitter. He sounds like a man-toddler.
    Yeah, I don't much like his twitter style.

    On the other hand, someone who has built a business which imports 2 million bottles of wine a year and supplies 300 outlets and tells a real world story of how damaging Brexit has been - versus some bloke that sits on his keyboard on CCMB ranting and throwing out inconclusive stats.

    I'll take my own view on who the man-toddler is here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swiss Peter View Post
    Yeah, I don't much like his twitter style.

    On the other hand, someone who has built a business which imports 2 million bottles of wine a year and supplies 300 outlets and tells a real world story of how damaging Brexit has been - versus some bloke that sits on his keyboard on CCMB ranting and throwing out inconclusive stats.

    I'll take my own view on who the man-toddler is here.
    You will never struggle to find anecdotal evidence to back up an argument and no economy will always work for every person in every sector. There are equivalents of that guy in every country at every point in history.

    That doesn't render official economic statistics irrelevent.

    I'm sure you can see the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    You will never struggle to find anecdotal evidence to back up an argument and no economy will always work for every person in every sector. There are equivalents of that guy in every country at every point in history.

    That doesn't render official economic statistics irrelevent.

    I'm sure you can see the difference.
    Statistics are not irrelevant. But they are inconclusive if presented simply as a snapshot in time to try and prove a point, without full wider context. I think you have agreed that before.

    Ok, you'll never struggle to find anecdotal evidence. This being the case, please present the stories from those people for whom Brexit has made their lives much easier. I think that's what people on this thread have been asking for from the beginning. Then a balanced view can be formed.

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    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...citys-24678731

    Of Cardiff City's 14 signings to date, only one has been brought in from abroad.

    The Bluebirds planned to exploit their European scouting network this summer, as revealed by WalesOnline earlier this year, and wanted to look at players in Germany, France and Holland specifically.

    However, they have only tapped into the German market so far, bringing in Jamilu Collins, the Nigeria international from Paderborn SC who play in Bundesliga II. As we have seen from just one outing, it looks like the left-back will be quite the hit with the fans. You can read more about that here.

    That transfer has seemingly worked out smoothly so far, so why, then, don't they tap into the foreign market to bring in more quality from abroad? Well, it's not quite as simple as that.

    Due to Brexit, registration rules have changed. The FA, the Premier League and EFL implemented a new system in which players had to meet certain criteria to be eligible for a transfer from abroad.

    Clubs are now not allowed to sign players freely from EU countries and must adhere to the Governing Body Endorsement (GBE) ruling which stipulates players must have the requisite 15 points to complete a transfer. To gain said points, players have to accrue a certain number of appearances, both senior and youth international appearances, the quality of the selling club and club appearances, based on domestic league and continental competition minutes.

    Fortunately for Cardiff, Collins scraped through by a single point, owing to his exploits with Nigeria, but Steve Morison explained further just how difficult he found shopping in the European market this summer.

    "The biggest problem with abroad is that they need a certain amount of points, they need 15 minimum," he explained. "He had his points because he’d played for Nigeria. He got his by a few other things and it all added up and I think he got in by one point.

    "Some players you start looking and think, 'Oh, he's good', as a recruitment team. You look into it and you send all of the stuff over and then you find out he has only got 12 points so you can't do it.

    "So it’s Brexit that’s caused it to be more difficult. Unless you’re signing from the top divisions, from the Bundesliga or Ligue 1 or Serie A, then it's a lot more difficult to get them over.

    "He is the only one who kind of jumped off the page to us that we knew we could get. Even that took a while, that was going on for about four weeks. But I was really pleased with it and from the first day of pre-season we have been excited to see what he can do on the grass."

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    Restrictions of freedom of movement are what the Brexit voters wanted.

    Of course the rich clubs wont be affected.

    Just like society the wealthy will be fine.

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    Brexit bonus with new rules on foreign players being allowed in, this hopefully expands the chances of home grown talent.

    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...paign=sharebar

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Brexit bonus with new rules on foreign players being allowed in, this hopefully expands the chances of home grown talent.

    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...paign=sharebar
    How dare you bring football into erm! a football forum...anyway..brexit folk wanted to keep out the foreign scum..like the cheap labourers and the people holding up the care systems...but bloody love' em when they play footie. which is of course as we all know is a vital occupation

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    First time I have seen that. Good grief!

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Those are the sunlit uplands! I did wonder what they were supposed to look like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    First time I have seen that. Good grief!
    I still say the overwhelming majority of Brexiteers would be willing to accept all the project's practical failings as long as they've got their beloved Blue passport back and can avoid rubbing shoulders with Johnnie Foreigner.

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    Article on Europe wide inflation in the Telegraph
    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/othe...omMaestro=true

    All the data is here: https://tradingeconomics.com/country...ntinent=europe

    A few takes from me:

    Annual Inflation is at historically high rate in Europe and currently varies between a low 2.5% in Liechtenstein and 79.6% in Turkey

    UK is mid-ranking, at 9.4%, slightly below the EU average at 9.6%

    No obvious pattern emerges apart from the rates generally being worse the further east you get, which points to the Ukraine war being the biggest factor, which I think we all appreciate.

    The tide is slowly starting to turn now. Greece's figures today show a small decline in the pace of inflation, and we've seen this in Germany too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Do you have a link for that? Not that I dispute it. Although I heard that there were less Chinese students coming over due to ongoing lockdowns in the peoples republic.
    Can't find original link this is from the Telegraph:

    Attracting overseas students ‘should be celebrated’

    The Russell Group said that the number of UK 18-year-olds securing undergraduate places at top universities was up by 24 per cent on 2019, compared to an equivalent figure of six per cent for international students. “The fact that our universities attract people from around the world is an asset and should be celebrated,” a spokesman said.

    Ucas said that around half of those aspiring students, or 20,360 applicants, were without a confirmed place because they had missed the required grades to make their offer. The proportion of A and A* levels at 36.4 per cent was still significantly higher than 2019, when 25.5 per cent of grades were A or A*.

    A spokesperson for the Department of Education said it was a “myth that offering a place to an international student takes a place away from a student in the UK - places are offered to UK students and those from overseas in two separate streams. International students make a significant contribution to our universities which actually supports the creation of more places for domestic students, not fewer.”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/18/one-fifth-russell-group-university-places-awarded-overseas-pupils/

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Can't find original link this is from the Telegraph:

    Attracting overseas students ‘should be celebrated’

    The Russell Group said that the number of UK 18-year-olds securing undergraduate places at top universities was up by 24 per cent on 2019, compared to an equivalent figure of six per cent for international students. “The fact that our universities attract people from around the world is an asset and should be celebrated,” a spokesman said.

    Ucas said that around half of those aspiring students, or 20,360 applicants, were without a confirmed place because they had missed the required grades to make their offer. The proportion of A and A* levels at 36.4 per cent was still significantly higher than 2019, when 25.5 per cent of grades were A or A*.

    A spokesperson for the Department of Education said it was a “myth that offering a place to an international student takes a place away from a student in the UK - places are offered to UK students and those from overseas in two separate streams. International students make a significant contribution to our universities which actually supports the creation of more places for domestic students, not fewer.”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...erseas-pupils/
    There's a sub plot here however. Student fees were circa £3500pa in 2009, now £9000. The Universities claim the £24,000 a year charged to overseas students subsidizes UK students. Now they want UK student fees to go up towards the £24,000. So when the govt. says 'no', the Universities can argue the ratio of overseas students will have to increase further. Probably one of the biggest rip-off industries of the 21st Century..

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    Another bonus, a marvellous festival for us all to enjoy, I’d genuinely never heard of this

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...boxed-disaster

    https://www.theguardian.com/culture/...isitors-target

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