Reply With QuoteWhat a load of borderline fascist nonsense.Originally Posted by Doucas
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Of course, it's not a safe thing to do. Driving a car is not safe. There were 115,333 road deaths in 2020 (a reduction of 15% I think from 2109) so you've got to be really careful with your arguments when citing what's safe and what isn't. Does everyone criticising these protests drive rigidly within the speed limit and have constant regard as to other people's safety when driving a car? You can twist all these issues to suit a way of thinking but the reality is that 'what-ifs' are pointless. What-if stopping the traffic reduced the number of deaths on the M25 yesterday. See, pointless argument but plausible. What if having lockdowns and not driving cars ever again saved 115,333 people. See, pointless argument but plausible.
What a load of borderline fascist nonsense.
How old are you out of interest JamesWales?
No, you are right. The government and police should do everything you want and to hell with anyone elses rights.
And you're also right, anyone who disagrees with you, quite obviously, has never suffered prejudice or discrimination.
And I'm not compliant or passive about much, believe me. I'm just a liberal who doesnt think the world should bow down to the demands of a small bunch of radicals
Typical boomer response, doesn't actually explain why it's nonsense, just says it's fascist and moves on.
It was nonsense because you made out that the 'boomer generation' (which precedes my parents out of interest) were somehow not environmentally friendly, when in practice they re-used products, were thriftier, ate more sustainably and holidayed more sustainably than future generations
It was borderline fascist, because, whilst you are presumably being light-hearted, you are willing the generation to die off and 'get out of the way'
The second level of nonsense kicks in when you assume that this means that something serious will happen about climate change, when in practice huge progress is happening now.
You insulting everyone who is old won't help climate change, it will just make people think you're a bit of a knob
That's weak and you've gone back to 'angry-from-Tunbridge-Wells-mode' but we come full circle....your grievances are exactly the same ones used against Mandela, King and Ghandi. It's as if you're really trying not to admit you could be wrong.
FFS
There you go again, comparing the protesters on the M25 blocking people going about their business to Nelson Mandela imprisoned by a racist state apparatus.
That's exactly what I'm not doing though but brace yourself because this next bit's gonna hurt. I'm comparing you with the people who demonised Nelson Mandela et al for being radical and protesting in the first place. Unless, of course, he did it the right way, then you'd be all smug. You don't see it yet. But you will. You're on the wrong side of history. So your juvenile head-slapping grinning emojis is all you have.
There you go again, comparing the protesters on the M25 blocking people going about their business to Nelson Mandela imprisoned by a racist state apparatus.
You are quite something.
Earlier on, you yourself wrote:
"FWIW I think these kinds of protests are doing more harm than good"
Personally, I think addressing climate change is critical and within that, properly insulating homes is a big win.
However, this protest won't help, as you acknowledged yourself an hour or so ago. But now, because I object to people doing unreasonable and dangerous protests I am somehow in support of the South African apartheid government? wtf like!
Your logic is whack, but it doesn't seem like reason is your thing.
Go and ruin someone day on the M4 if you feel strongly about it. Telling me I want to imprison Nelson Mandela isn't helping until such a time that we can harness hot air generated from messageboards.
Irony alert.
You only have to go to Facebook or dailymail comments sections or look at voting patterns to say older generations being more environmentally conscious is complete horseshit. I mean how many believe climate change is actually man made? For more evidence on how you're wrong see https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...other-factors/
Huge progress isn't happening now, every year emissions go up, in practically every country in the world boomers are in charge.
I mean, the dialogue with boomers around climate change is pointless now, that generation has had its chance and has let down all generations that come after it. Nevermind the economic shitshow the boomers have handed my generation.
Emissions in the UK are falling, and at a faster rate than most countries. Thats my point, the protests are not targeting the key culprits here. Thats why it wont work. It will infuriate people and make no difference.
The Daily Mail online has a readership clearly unlike what you present
https://creative.dailymail.co.uk/us-...-research.html
Either way, you go around willing people to die, and you aren't gonna win them round. You'll just lose and get angrier and angrier with people without realising your line or arguing makes you your own worst enemy.
There is nothing ironic about opposing dangerous illegal protests because it disrupts peoples lives and makes their important cause less likely to succeed.
I just disagree with you. It's as simple as that. There's nothing ironic about it, and certainly you cannot garner from me thinking you are wrong, that somehow I support Nelson Mandela being imprisoned which is a frankly bizarre accusation you have repeated a couple of times.
Sorry, this might have got lost in the thread, just wondering?
Ooh guessing game.
I think 40-43.
I'd hope not, anyone in their 40's who says things like 'your logic is whack" needs to take a long hard look at themselves.
If i was a footballer, I would have retired a year or two ago. Probably with a slightly extended career in MLS.
I'm guessing 32 for you.
Here something the m25 could get their teeth into
https://www.wuft.org/nation-world/20...wn-in-germany/
There is 250 years of coal left to mine in Germany , need some hard nose politician to close them and be hated for it ????????
Your guessing is whack mate
Result .
Injunction issued against the M25 loops
Drivers should be free to give them a good kicking. They won't do it again, the drivers will feel a tonne better and police time won't be wasted. It's a win win in my books.
Well said.
I presume a few on this thread think Emily Davison isn't a hero too. She was lambasted at the time.
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