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Thread: Not many big clubs left outside the top two flights now

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    Not many big clubs left outside the top two flights now

    Sunderland

    Pompey

    That's about it

    Plymouth should at least be championship I suppose

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    Re: Not many big clubs left outside the top two flights now

    One club that I'm surprised has never been in the the football league is Truro
    City in Cornwall massive fan base. Nice city but poor football team.

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    Re: Not many big clubs left outside the top two flights now

    Quote Originally Posted by Armitage Shanks View Post
    One club that I'm surprised has never been in the the football league is Truro
    City in Cornwall massive fan base. Nice city but poor football team.
    Plymouth would take much of their support as they do from most of Cornwall?

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    Re: Not many big clubs left outside the top two flights now

    Wednesday?

    Bradford and Ipswich I've always associated with being higher than where they are.

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    Re: Not many big clubs left outside the top two flights now

    Quote Originally Posted by Trigger View Post
    Wednesday?

    Bradford and Ipswich I've always associated with being higher than where they are.
    Forgot about Wednesday!

    Bradford very big city , lots of potential , should be in the championship

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    Re: Not many big clubs left outside the top two flights now

    What is the definition of a big club?

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    Re: Not many big clubs left outside the top two flights now

    Quote Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy View Post
    What is the definition of a big club?
    For me it should be based on fanbase, ground size and success.

    We aren't the most successful club but we're a bigger club than the Jacks in my opinion, even with their recent spell in the sun.

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    Re: Not many big clubs left outside the top two flights now

    Not always easy to define what makes a big club (history, success, ground size, fanbase, potential fanbase etc) but I would say the following are significantly underperforming teams. All those in League One could comfortably be Premier League teams. Those below them could all be established Championship teams

    League One
    Sunderland
    Bolton
    Sheff Wed
    Ipswich
    Charlton
    MK Dons
    Plymouth

    League Two
    Bradford City
    Carlisle United
    Bristol Rovers

    Conference
    Chesterfield
    Stockport
    Notts County
    Southend

    Conference North
    York City

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    Re: Not many big clubs left outside the top two flights now

    These are all traditionally lower league clubs. They may have had better times, but I wouldn't say they're underperforming now.

    League Two
    Bradford City
    Carlisle United
    Bristol Rovers

    Conference
    Chesterfield
    Stockport
    Notts County
    Southend

    Conference North
    York City

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    Re: Not many big clubs left outside the top two flights now

    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBlue View Post
    These are all traditionally lower league clubs. They may have had better times, but I wouldn't say they're underperforming now.

    League Two
    Bradford City
    Carlisle United
    Bristol Rovers

    Conference
    Chesterfield
    Stockport
    Notts County
    Southend

    Conference North
    York City
    Yeah, I don't disagree (although Notts County have had a fair amount of success).
    I still think they are underperforming though. I often consider big clubs in terms of potential. Bradford is a big city etc, anyone who makes a big success of a Bristol club would have a big club on their hands, Carlisle could serve great swathes of the north etc...

    But yeah, not comparable to clubs like Sunderland and Sheffield Wednesday

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    Re: Not many big clubs left outside the top two flights now

    Swinging the thread on its head, which teams do you believe are over-performing, based on the club's size ? Certainly Brighton and Brentford come into that category and so too do Bournemouth, given their meteoric rise over the last few years. Their current status in the Championship still belies the fact that they are a small club.

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    Re: Not many big clubs left outside the top two flights now

    Remember when Leeds were stuck in the third tier? Great days.

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    Re: Not many big clubs left outside the top two flights now

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Not always easy to define what makes a big club (history, success, ground size, fanbase, potential fanbase etc) but I would say the following are significantly underperforming teams. All those in League One could comfortably be Premier League teams. Those below them could all be established Championship teams

    League One
    Sunderland
    Bolton
    Sheff Wed
    Ipswich
    Charlton
    MK Dons
    Plymouth

    League Two
    Bradford City
    Carlisle United
    Bristol Rovers

    Conference
    Chesterfield
    Stockport
    Notts County
    Southend

    Conference North
    York City
    mk Dons?!

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    Re: Not many big clubs left outside the top two flights now

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    mk Dons?!
    I despise the club but it's a fairly big place with a wide catchment area and a big stadium. They could easily have become an English version of a team like Hoffenheim or Leipzig in Germany who reached the top flight without any notable fan base.

    Less a big club, more potentially one I suppose

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    Re: Not many big clubs left outside the top two flights now

    Quote Originally Posted by Moodybluebird View Post
    Swinging the thread on its head, which teams do you believe are over-performing, based on the club's size ? Certainly Brighton and Brentford come into that category and so too do Bournemouth, given their meteoric rise over the last few years. Their current status in the Championship still belies the fact that they are a small club.
    Brighton are well supported club , no honours

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    Re: Not many big clubs left outside the top two flights now

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    Remember when Leeds were stuck in the third tier? Great days.
    It can happen again if we all use positive thinking

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    Re: Not many big clubs left outside the top two flights now

    Truro City’s attendances are extremely poor. The club was in such a state that it had to play at. Plainmoor for a while. Most opposing clubs had more fans at Truro than what they had themselves, up until recently.

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    Re: Not many big clubs left outside the top two flights now

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Brighton are well supported club , no honours
    As a top flight team you would expect them to be well supported but historically it was almost the 80's before they even became an established second tier side.

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    Re: Not many big clubs left outside the top two flights now

    Quote Originally Posted by Moodybluebird View Post
    Swinging the thread on its head, which teams do you believe are over-performing, based on the club's size ? Certainly Brighton and Brentford come into that category and so too do Bournemouth, given their meteoric rise over the last few years. Their current status in the Championship still belies the fact that they are a small club.
    Slight twist on this are teams like Burnley or Wrexham. Both fairly small towns but with long-standing football history/heritage, with a long view both over performing given their size in an area of the world with many league clubs and some of the most illustrious in the UK.

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    Re: Not many big clubs left outside the top two flights now

    Just adding this to the conversation - I've worked out the average league position of every one of the 92 sides currently in the league. Teams with an average position of 1-20 could claim their home is the Premier League, 21-44 - The Championship, 45-66 - League One, 67-92 - League Two. Note that

    Premier League clubs (in average points order):

    Liverpool
    Arsenal
    Everton
    Manchester United
    Aston Villa
    Tottenham Hotspur
    Chelsea
    Manchester City
    Newcastle United
    Sunderland
    West Bromwich Albion
    West Ham United

    Championship clubs (in average points order):

    Blackburn Rovers
    Leeds United
    Wolverhampton Wanderers
    Derby County
    Middlesbrough
    Sheffield Wednesday
    Leicester City
    Sheffield United
    Bolton Wanderers
    Stoke City
    Birmingham City
    Nottingham Forest
    Southampton
    Burnley
    Ipswich Town
    Preston North End
    Portsmouth
    Fulham
    Huddersfield Town
    Charlton Athletic
    Blackpool
    Coventry City
    Norwich City
    Queens Park Rangers
    Cardiff City
    Crystal Palace
    Bristol City
    Luton Town
    Barnsley
    Hull City

    League One clubs:

    Millwall
    Watford
    Oldham Athletic
    Swansea City
    Wigan Athletic
    Brighton & Hove Albion
    Plymouth Argyle
    Reading
    Bradford City
    Oxford United
    Brentford
    Port Vale
    Rotherham United
    Leyton Orient
    Swindon Town
    Milton Keynes Dons
    Bristol Rovers
    AFC Bournemouth
    Lincoln City
    Fleetwood Town
    Walsall
    Doncaster Rovers
    Tranmere Rovers
    Shrewsbury Town
    Peterborough United
    Burton Albion
    Carlisle United
    Gillingham

    League Two clubs:

    Wycombe Wanderers
    Accrington Stanley
    Cambridge United
    Scunthorpe United
    Colchester United
    Crewe Alexandra
    Northampton Town
    Mansfield Town
    AFC Wimbledon
    Newport County
    Crawley Town
    Exeter City
    Rochdale
    Stevenage
    Hartlepool United
    Barrow
    Salford City
    Cheltenham Town
    Forest Green Rovers
    Morecambe
    Harrogate Town
    Sutton United

    Based on that, I'd say Sunderland are the biggest club outside the top two divisions, followed by Ipswich, Charlton, Bolton, Sheffield Wednesday and Portsmouth. In the opposite direction, from within the top two divisions, Watford, Brighton and Brentford are the smallest clubs inside the top flight, while Millwall, Swansea, Bournemouth, Reading and Peterborough are overachieving by being in the Championship.

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