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Thread: Grant Schapps , Conservative , On Benefits

  1. #21

    Re: Grant Schapps , Conservative , On Benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Life expectancy was going down under the Conservatives pre Covid. That should be enough for anyone to vote for someone else because it tells you all you need to know about the inequalities of life in this country in the twenty first century under their power.
    Where did you get these figures from Bob?

    I have found a Guardian article from 2019 which mentions iti


    https://www.theguardian.com/society/...by-five-months

    but I have also found a Kings Fund article which is at first glance a bit different although there is a mass of data in there which would take a lot of time to go through.

    Obviously you are blaming austerity and I am sure that is a factor, although the Kings Fund article suggests it is far more complex than that.

    And before you jump to one of your erroneous assumptions which you have been so fond of doing of late no I am not saying that austerity has nothing to do with it and that the Conservative government has nothing to do with it that is not what I am saying

    Juts that your short paragraph is really a bit too simplistic. The subject is far too complex than just a couple of sound bites

  2. #22

    Re: Grant Schapps , Conservative , On Benefits

    I missed out the Kings Fund article on my post above

    https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publica...ctancy-england

    I also realise that my last but one paragraph is clumsily phrased and repetitive I meant to change it before posting, but I was too late to edit it. I think the sense of what I meant is there though.

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  4. #24

    Re: Grant Schapps , Conservative , On Benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Elwood Blues View Post
    Where did you get these figures from Bob?

    I have found a Guardian article from 2019 which mentions iti


    https://www.theguardian.com/society/...by-five-months

    but I have also found a Kings Fund article which is at first glance a bit different although there is a mass of data in there which would take a lot of time to go through.

    Obviously you are blaming austerity and I am sure that is a factor, although the Kings Fund article suggests it is far more complex than that.

    And before you jump to one of your erroneous assumptions which you have been so fond of doing of late no I am not saying that austerity has nothing to do with it and that the Conservative government has nothing to do with it that is not what I am saying

    Juts that your short paragraph is really a bit too simplistic. The subject is far too complex than just a couple of sound bites
    Indeed especially when you look at things like weather impacts , consumption of alcohol and drugs, obesity ( whe are one of the best at these poor health habits ) .

    The Tories are not in charge In Scotland and Glasgow has some horrendous life expectancy figures ( their winters are tough for the elderly as well, again not a Tory issue)

  5. #25

    Re: Grant Schapps , Conservative , On Benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Indeed especially when you look at things like weather impacts , consumption of alcohol and drugs, obesity ( whe are one of the best at these poor health habits ) .

    The Tories are not in charge In Scotland and Glasgow has some horrendous life expectancy figures ( their winters are tough for the elderly as well, again not a Tory issue)
    Talk about desperate. Are you seriously suggesting that “weather impacts”, consumption of alcohol and drugs and obesity only started happening after the Tories won in 2010? Was Scotland a picture of perfect health before 2010?

  6. #26

    Re: Grant Schapps , Conservative , On Benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Talk about desperate. Are you seriously suggesting that “weather impacts”, consumption of alcohol and drugs and obesity only started happening after the Tories won in 2010? Was Scotland a picture of perfect health before 2010?
    I am saying that consumption of alcohol and drugs and obesity plays a huge part in life expectancy , and those habits have increased over the last 5 years , you can't just we to point in one political direction , whats your answer to increasing one life expectancy.

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