Tough times for the Dinosaurs

[The Lone Gunman]

Today's defeat was City's fourth in the last five league matches and let's be honest here - the team's performance in the first half of the one game they have managed to win recently was utterly awful.

Mick McCarthy's reign as Cardiff manager began brightly enough, but the team's record in the last 20 league games under him is as follows:

Won 6, drawn 7, lost 7.

The six teams City managed to beat during that run were Swansea, Wycombe, who are now in League One, a Birmingham side that was full of youngsters and reserves, newly-promoted Blackpool, draw specialists Millwall and struggling Nottingham Forest. Not the the toughest of opponents at this level

Meanwhile, Neil Warnock's Middlesbrough slumped to another defeat at Reading earlier today. Boro have won just one of their last seven Championship games - a 2-0 victory at Nottingham Forest.

While the Championship looks weak this season, it seems the prehistoric football served up by Messrs McCarthy and Warnock is cutting little mustard.

[UNDERHILL1927]

Today's defeat was City's fourth in the last five league matches and let's be honest here - the team's performance in the first half of the one game they have managed to win recently was utterly awful.

Mick McCarthy's reign as Cardiff manager began brightly enough, but the team's record in the last 20 league games under him is as follows:

Won 6, drawn 7, lost 7.

The six teams City managed to beat during that run were Swansea, Wycombe, who are now in League One, a Birmingham side that was full of youngsters and reserves, newly-promoted Blackpool, draw specialists Millwall and struggling Nottingham Forest. Not the the toughest of opponents at this level

Meanwhile, Neil Warnock's Middlesbrough slumped to another defeat at Reading earlier today. Boro have won just one of their last seven Championship games - a 2-0 victory at Nottingham Forest.

While the Championship looks weak this season, it seems the prehistoric football served up by Messrs McCarthy and Warnock is cutting little mustard.

I think this style of football has been worked out for sure mate. It could cost us our place in this league unless something drastic is done.

[The Hooded Claw]

I think this style of football has been worked out for sure mate. It could cost us our place in this league unless something drastic is done.

Not according to the DML brigade, despite the fact that a number of posters have been saying this for years!

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Not according to the DML brigade, despite the fact that a number of posters have been saying this for years!

To be fair if a number of posters have been saying this for years and we've been nowhere near losing our place in the league, in fact we're usually flirting with the playoffs, then it shows that those posters were wrong doesn't it?

[UNDERHILL1927]

Not according to the DML brigade, despite the fact that a number of posters have been saying this for years!

I'll admit I was one of the "if we're winning I don't care" brigade, but we've been found out big time over the last few matches. The lack of real quality in our squad is scary and we're now not even good at what we should be good at.

[The Lone Gunman]

People are talking about the possibility of City being dragged into a relegation scrap. Middlesbrough fans must be thinking the same about their team. In their last seven games, Boro have played QPR, Derby, Blackburn, Coventry, Nottingham Forest, Blackpool and Reading. The only side out of that lot they managed to beat was Forest.

I've long been of the opinion that the ideal time for Warnock to retire would have been straight after guiding City to promotion in 2018. Things could have been very different for both the Bluebirds and Warnock had that happened. But he just couldn't leave it there. Instead, City are still paying a heavy price for his poor purchases and he's almost certainly going to end up having been sacked from his final two jobs in football.

[insider]

People are talking about the possibility of City being dragged into a relegation scrap. Middlesbrough fans must be thinking the same about their team. In their last seven games, Boro have played QPR, Derby, Blackburn, Coventry, Nottingham Forest, Blackpool and Reading. The only side out of that lot they managed to beat was Forest.

I've long been of the opinion that the ideal time for Warnock to retire would have been straight after guiding City to promotion in 2018. Things could have been very different for both the Bluebirds and Warnock had that happened. But he just couldn't leave it there. Instead, City are still paying a heavy price for his poor purchases and he's almost certainly going to end up having been sacked from his final two jobs in football.

Giving Warnock another year after relegation just summed up the knowledge of the board members, absolutely zero.
It effectively wasted our parachute payments on another whole load of Warnock ball players.
I've got to be honest the man didn't give a fack about Cardiff City it was all about his ego.
I've was never taken in by the spiel he spews out at every club he goes to.

[Gnojek]

People are talking about the possibility of City being dragged into a relegation scrap. Middlesbrough fans must be thinking the same about their team. In their last seven games, Boro have played QPR, Derby, Blackburn, Coventry, Nottingham Forest, Blackpool and Reading. The only side out of that lot they managed to beat was Forest.

I've long been of the opinion that the ideal time for Warnock to retire would have been straight after guiding City to promotion in 2018. Things could have been very different for both the Bluebirds and Warnock had that happened. But he just couldn't leave it there. Instead, City are still paying a heavy price for his poor purchases and he's almost certainly going to end up having been sacked from his final two jobs in football.

I looked on one of the Boro forums the other day and they're not a happy bunch. The comments are very similar to when NW was here. Must be honest and say I had no problem when he first took over, often referring to the not infrequent unspectacular wins as "Warnock Wins". Whatever it takes, etc. However, the fayre on show and Warnock's post-match comments soon became tiresome. Seems like it's deja vu all over again, this time in the north-east.

[Gnojek]

The below is from one of the Boro forums yesterday. The reply in bold is to the question in itallics. As for this reply, the poster evidently doesn't have too much knowledge of NW's time at City.

"Warnock today pointed the finger on the culprits, who pushed for the foreign signings, revealed the on going interference, we've had for years, this is why former managers had to sign a non-disclosure act. He looks as sick as a parrot."

He's more than welcome to do one then.

I don't think there is a club going nowadays that just let's the manager have 100% of the say on signings. If he looked closer to home regarding his methods and tactics he might get a clue as to why he can't work with our current crop.

[life on mars]

I think you can get away with what's called Dinosaur football if you add pace and the odd fella like Tomlin who has exceptional flair.

It won't provide a long term development though, modern football has to come from the development squads and mindset of the boardroom ( see Brentford for way forward and reference )

[blue lewj]

Giving Warnock another year after relegation just summed up the knowledge of the board members, absolutely zero.
It effectively wasted our parachute payments on another whole load of Warnock ball players.
I've got to be honest the man didn't give a fack about Cardiff City it was all about his ego.
I've was never taken in by the spiel he spews out at every club he goes to.

If we keep Mick then we'll waste a load more money too this coming summer.

Tan and the board he puts in place are clueless and he seems to have lost interest.
We're now a club who are clueless and doing it on the cheap. Never going to end well.

[LeningradCowboy]

If we keep Mick then we'll waste a load more money too this coming summer.

Tan and the board he puts in place are clueless and he seems to have lost interest.
We're now a club who are clueless and doing it on the cheap. Never going to end well.

How can you waste money if you don't have any to spend?

[stan butler]

If we keep Mick then we'll waste a load more money too this coming summer.

Tan and the board he puts in place are clueless and he seems to have lost interest.
We're now a club who are clueless and doing it on the cheap. Never going to end well.

Ok so answer me this. You keep knocking Tan so who would you want instead? Let's have some names

[blue lewj]

Ok so answer me this. You keep knocking Tan so who would you want instead? Let's have some names

Some names?

I just want our owner to realise that the people he puts in positions of power at this club are costing him far more to run this club than it should do. To realise that he should have had a far greater return on the money he has paid.

Ridiculous to ask for names but let's go and get Man City's owners why don't we.

[stan butler]

Some names?

I just want our owner to realise that the people he puts in positions of power at this club are costing him far more to run this club than it should do. To realise that he should have had a far greater return on the money he has paid.

Ridiculous to ask for names but let's go and get Man City's owners why don't we.

Well that's not going to happen. I agree Tan has done things the wrong way and it's confusing into why he doesn't look like changing the ways the club operates surely by now he's wiser in regards to running a football club..
That said i am glad we have him at the club rather than the piss artist Hammam and a few other clowns who have messed up football clubs..

[The Lone Gunman]

Ok so answer me this. You keep knocking Tan so who would you want instead? Let's have some names

Bernard Arnault, Mukesh Ambani, Larry Ellison, Zhong Shanshan, Amancio Ortega, Colin Zheng Huang, Masayoshi Son, Dieter Schwarz, Wang Wei, Francois Pinault, Charles Koch, Daniel Gilbert, Ma Huateng, Steve Ballmer, etc, etc, etc.

How about Elon Musk? City could eventually become the first club managed from space.

[stan butler]

Bernard Arnault, Mukesh Ambani, Larry Ellison, Zhong Shanshan, Amancio Ortega, Colin Zheng Huang, Masayoshi Son, Dieter Schwarz, Wang Wei, Francois Pinault, Charles Koch, Daniel Gilbert, Ma Huateng, Steve Ballmer, etc, etc, etc.

How about Elon Musk? City could eventually become the first club managed from space.

Cheers for the reply blue lewj

[The Lone Gunman]

Cheers for the reply blue lewj

You’re getting weirder by the week.

Question: had you ever heard of Vincent Tan before he bought into Cardiff City FC?

I certainly hadn’t.

[Tuerto]

Bernard Arnault, Mukesh Ambani, Larry Ellison, Zhong Shanshan, Amancio Ortega, Colin Zheng Huang, Masayoshi Son, Dieter Schwarz, Wang Wei, Francois Pinault, Charles Koch, Daniel Gilbert, Ma Huateng, Steve Ballmer, etc, etc, etc.

How about Elon Musk? City could eventually become the first club managed from space.

Lyrics to Hello by The Beloved?

[blue lewj]

How can you waste money if you don't have any to spend?

Or should I say waste what he is given.

He'll probably end up with a team of kids if Tan and the gang get their way.

[UNDERHILL1927]

I think you can get away with what's called Dinosaur football if you add pace and the odd fella like Tomlin who has exceptional flair.

It won't provide a long term development though, modern football has to come from the development squads and mindset of the boardroom ( see Brentford for way forward and reference )

You're right, how many times has Hoillet bailed us out in the past, Tomlin, we have no plan B or flair player to do that now.

[life on mars]

You're right, how many times has Hoillet bailed us out in the past, Tomlin, we have no plan B or flair player to do that now.

And there is the difference between NW and MM

[Hilts]

People are talking about the possibility of City being dragged into a relegation scrap. Middlesbrough fans must be thinking the same about their team. In their last seven games, Boro have played QPR, Derby, Blackburn, Coventry, Nottingham Forest, Blackpool and Reading. The only side out of that lot they managed to beat was Forest.

I've long been of the opinion that the ideal time for Warnock to retire would have been straight after guiding City to promotion in 2018. Things could have been very different for both the Bluebirds and Warnock had that happened. But he just couldn't leave it there. Instead, City are still paying a heavy price for his poor purchases and he's almost certainly going to end up having been sacked from his final two jobs in football.

I didnt think we sacked him?

[gabbsthenewt]

I didnt think we sacked him?

Think Dalman said after Warnock resigned that he offered his resignation and Dalman tried to talk him into staying. How much of that was true and not just saying it I dunno, writing was on the wall.

[gabbsthenewt]

Think Dalman said after Warnock resigned that he offered his resignation and Dalman tried to talk him into staying. How much of that was true and not just saying it I dunno, writing was on the wall.

Was Warnock saying it, not sure if Dalman followed up with the same
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