The critical fact is found in election results and we have seen so many Labour defeats, the last being the worse since 1935 , against such a weak government , that suggests Labour membership , movement , grassroots and momentum do not represent modern UK or its voters .

I would love a decent new vibrant opposition , not one lost in the past , or fear of change , or hatred of Blair or the Tories , its not about us or them politics , for me that is the main issues within the Labour ranks .