Brexit Plus ? Higher Wage Economy

[JamesWales]

Actually you're wrong. By definition all geo-political barriers that prevent the free movement of people are forms of looser or tighter racism.

That is a plainly absurd statement. If you believe that then you believe that New Zealand and Canada (not to mention everyone else) are currently run by racist governments.

I dont doubt that an irrational fear of foreigners is a driving force for some people in how they vote, but you totally over estimate that driving force.

The reality is that the UK will probably become the country in europe that has the fairest immigration policy that bases it's criteria on skills rather than any other factor such as where someone happens to have been born

[az city]

That is a plainly absurd statement.

Use your grey matter. It clearly isn't.

[JamesWales]

Use your grey matter. It clearly isn't.

I paraphrase, but you are essentially saying anyone who doesn't support the free movement of people (presumably globally?) is racist.

Thats just ridiculous. You can choose to not support a laissez faire immigration policy for dozens of reasons.

It's like saying anyone who opposes the free movement of money across borders does so because they hate money.

Someone can object to how something is managed or organised without objecting to the whole concept of something. You can disagree with an immigration policy without objecting to immigration as a concept and certainly without meaning you are racist towards the people involved

[Its been emotional]

I totally get how they can exploit many people, but some people love zero hour contracts. If you have inconsistent work or are a tradesman with unreliable hours or caring responsibilities, it can work in your favour to not have any fixed work commitments, but the ability to earn when you want to.

I think having a right to a contract after a set period is a better way to go, personally.

So do you agree with say someone working at Dominoes on a zero hour contract gets called in for 12 midday
The shop is very quiet so gets sent home at 1 but then gets asked to come back at 6 because it might be busier then or if it gets busier sooner we will give you are call.

[JamesWales]

So do you agree with say someone working at Dominoes on a zero hour contract gets called in for 12 midday
The shop is very quiet so gets sent home at 1 but then gets asked to come back at 6 because it might be busier then or if it gets busier sooner we will give you are call.

No, in the example given, I dont agree and as said I think people should be offered a contract after a relatively short period of time.

However, sometimes zero hour contracts suit people. They may want the flexibility for example. It works for some, not for others.

As a main job, I am totally with you - you cannot plan your finances with a zero hour contract at all.

[dembethewarrior]

lets hope that Agencies now disappear and companies take people on and offer them job security and value them, as in the past they have just been a commodity to pick up an use and then discard when they are done with

I could have had a job with a company that was subbing work from Welsh water. They paid lads £11 an hour and paid travel time and digs etc. I was less experienced so would have started on £9.50/or £10 the lads told me when trying to convince me to apply.
I got £18 an hour off the agency.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Sorry, you are wrong. Wanting a different immigration system does not equal racism. It may be academic code for racism, but academics suffer from confirmation bias more than anyone.

Likewise, sovereignty means having greater control over decisions. Estonia wanted sovereignty when it left the USSR. Scottish Independence is about sovereignty. Ireland wanted sovereignty in the 1920's. You need to seperate the two concepts out, rather than apply your intepretation of it and assume everyone has the same conclusion.

Incidentally, votes for far-right and racist parties are far higher in the EU than in western nations outside it, which rather suggests that your analysis isnt true. If people who had concerns over laissez-faire immigration policies or wanted more control over their own laws were just out and out racists, then this would be reflected in which parties they vote for.

Sorry to piss on your fries.

Xenophobia was a fecking massive factor in brexit

Boris and his mob stoked the fires and watched it all burn

People can deny this all day long if they want , I don't give a feck

[Swiss Peter]

I know of a Doctor who had a HGV licence from his Army days 20 year s ago, that has just been written too by the Department of Transport.
Highlighting the opportunity that exists right now.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1930558.html

“We were quite surprised,” he said. “I’m sure pay and conditions for HGV drivers have improved, but ultimately I have decided to carry on in my role at an investment bank. My wife has never driven anything larger than a Volvo, so she is also intending to decline the exciting opportunity.



Are there any depths to this Government's incompetence?

[life on mars]

Bizarre some folk in this thread thinking better wages is not a positive , and folks suggesting folk don't get paid enough and live on the breadline ??

From Bloomberg Article Aug 21

U.K. wage growth hit a record as companies posted more than 1 million new job vacancies for the first time in an unprecedented*scramble*for staff following the loosening of lockdown rules.

Average earnings in the three months through June surged a record 8.8% from a year earlier, the Office for National Statistics said Tuesday. While the figure partly reflects distortions created by the pandemic, underlying wage pressures are also gathering pace.

[Des Parrot]

Meanwhile here in Poland I’m busily employing 400+ people to replace the 400+ jobs (plus supply chain jobs) being lost in UK. Our customers have decided not to place any more business in the UK due to the spiralling costs.

[AfricanBluebird]

I do wonder if those type of tough , manual or dirty jobs will now attract a decent wage for Abattoirs , Farming Labour , HGV , Care Workers ,Cleaner and hospitality industry workers , as we see a welcome decline on agencies exploiting European migrants workers who are willing to work for far less than a UK worker ..

It's bizarre that the Tories who fight tooth and nail against increased wages and minimum wages could inadvertently end up helping increase wages ..

Those increases though will eat into their corporate pals profits and soon we will see more reductions in corporate taxes and more increases into taxes for working class People.

Increased wages is good.... But what Tories do is screw the working classes who may benefit from those increases with extra taxes & reduced benefits, while further creating conditions where their corporate chums pay less tax.

Trickle down economics pioneered by Reagan and Thatcher ended up with creating a huge divide in society, it doesn't work.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

It's bizarre that the Tories who fight tooth and nail against increased wages and minimum wages could inadvertently end up helping increase wages ..

Those increases though will eat into their corporate pals profits and soon we will see more reductions in corporate taxes and more increases into taxes for working class People.

Increased wages is good.... But what Tories do is screw the working classes who may benefit from those increases with extra taxes & reduced benefits, while further creating conditions where their corporate chums pay less tax.

Trickle down economics pioneered by Reagan and Thatcher ended up with creating a huge divide in society, it doesn't work.

A freeze was put on benefits when Cameron came in

For about 6 years

Now someone on 40 k is going to miss a pay rise

But people on benefits struggle and slashing the benefit bill causes so many problems for those dependent on them

[Hilts]

Weve also got our public sector on a pay freeze.

[life on mars]

It's bizarre that the Tories who fight tooth and nail against increased wages and minimum wages could inadvertently end up helping increase wages ..

Those increases though will eat into their corporate pals profits and soon we will see more reductions in corporate taxes and more increases into taxes for working class People.

Increased wages is good.... But what Tories do is screw the working classes who may benefit from those increases with extra taxes & reduced benefits, while further creating conditions where their corporate chums pay less tax.

Trickle down economics pioneered by Reagan and Thatcher ended up with creating a huge divide in society, it doesn't work.

It is Boris , also blurted out the other day that companies should pay their workers more and rightly so , back door socialist ideals ?

[life on mars]

Weve also got our public sector on a pay freeze.

Not totally true

Unions representing hundreds of thousands of local government workers have rejected a 1.5% pay offer, describing it as “insulting” to staff who worked hard to keep vital services running throughout the coronavirus pandemic.

The offer came despite the 2021-2022 public-sector pay freeze set out by chancellor Rishi Sunak in November’s spending review, which has meant no annual increase for all but the lowest-paid civil servants. The offer for council staff was tabled by the local government employers, rather than the Ministry of Housing Communities and Local Government.

Unison, the GMB and Unite – which represent 750,000 council and school-support staff across England, Wales and Northern Ireland – said the Local Government Association’s 1.5% offer was “disappointing” when it was made earlier this month. Each has now turned down the offer on behalf of members.

Jon Richards, head of local government at Unison – which is the largest union force among council staff – said 1.5% “simply isn’t good enough”.

[AfricanBluebird]

It is Boris , also blurted out the other day that companies should pay their workers more and rightly so , back door socialist ideals ?

We can't trust a word that clown says. He sits on a throne of lies and hypocrisy.

Increased wages is a good thing, but really not if your NI and taxes are increased to eat up any increases you get....combined with a cut in benefits.

Which the Tories do all the time.

It's not the increase in wages I have an issue with, it's a government who consistently make it much more difficult for working class People to keep their modest increase... And much easier for the already wealthy and high earners to keep their money and in fact create conditions so they can make more.

Also the Tories claim that wages have increased £4000 per year... I don't know many people who have had a £4000.per year increase. This is just a manipulation of figures.

[trampie09]

We can't trust a word that clown says. He sits on a throne of lies and hypocrisy.

Increased wages is a good thing, but really not if your NI and taxes are increased to eat up any increases you get....combined with a cut in benefits.

Which the Tories do all the time.

It's not the increase in wages I have an issue with, it's a government who consistently make it much more difficult for working class People to keep their modest increase... And much easier for the already wealthy and high earners to keep their money and in fact create conditions so they can make more.

Also the Tories claim that wages have increased £4000 per year... I don't know many people who have had a £4000.per year increase. This is just a manipulation of figures.

They look after the rich at the expense of the poor that is what they do.

[bigjoe]

Even Michel Barnier, as EU as it gets was talking about sovereignty and limiting non EU immigration in the last few weeks
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/25/u...gbr/index.html

Was that the correct (I daren't say right) link? Barnier could well run for president so he has to look for the Le Pen/Zemmour votes

[blue matt]

They look after the rich at the expense of the poor that is what they do.

Furlough / Self employed covid grants were for everyone ( apart from the very small % who fell through the cracks )

infact you could say setting the SE grant limit at £7500 for the 3 month grant was a negative for the rich