People calling for Tan to go

[Optimistic Nick]

if we had gone out of business 12 or 13 years ago and had to reform in non-league, it'd be highly unlikely that we'd be much lower than we are at present.

We'd have missed a season in the EPL. We would have missed more than a decade in the top two tiers. These things were pipe dreams in the 1990s, and the idea that we would have marched through the non leagues back to our current spot is fanciful in the extreme. You talk about the potential for investment- were you around in the 1990s? We were a better buy back then, when everyone actually thought we would get crowds of 40k+ if we made it to what is now the championship.

I disagree with your statement.

[Divine Wright]

We'd have missed a season in the EPL. We would have missed more than a decade in the top two tiers. These things were pipe dreams in the 1990s, and the idea that we would have marched through the non leagues back to our current spot is fanciful in the extreme. You talk about the potential for investment- were you around in the 1990s? We were a better buy back then, when everyone actually thought we would get crowds of 40k+ if we made it to what is now the championship.

I disagree with your statement.

I would counter the following -

I enjoyed some of the football more in the nineties than I did the EPL seasons.

AFC Wimbledon.

The investment now compared to the investment made in the 90s is incomparable.

[life on mars]

Who exactly are you calling out? What a strange post.

Think the point he's making that no one locally is willing to invest in Cardiff to exploit the potential population of inner Cardiff and its surrounding area , therefore we must accept that Vincent is by far the only loyal business friend we have willing to support us with his own money .

[Llandaff Blue]

Think the point he's making that no one locally is willing to invest in Cardiff to exploit the potential population of inner Cardiff and its surrounding area , therefore we must accept that Vincent is by far the only loyal business friend we have willing to support us with his own money .

We’ll say that init

Blokes talking rubbish. Acting as if wearily people local to Cardiff owe the club or the city anything,

[Hilts]

it's a logical assumption.

In your opinion.

Its more logical wed be non league.

[Divine Wright]

Its more logical wed be non league.

do you ever justify anything ? ****in awesome person to debate with fair play.

[lardy]

Bury AFC restarted in North West Counties Division One, which is tier 10. It's asking quite a lot to go from tier 10 to tier 2 in 12 years.

[Divine Wright]

Bury AFC restarted in North West Counties Division One, which is tier 10. It's asking quite a lot to go from tier 10 to tier 2 in 12 years.

Wimbledon.

Also, I think we have more potential to attract investment, even if only fan made, than bury or wimbledon.

Not saying wed be back in the championship but I think we'd be there or there abouts......and with a sense of "club" that is impossible under the Emperor.

[lardy]

Wimbledon.

Also, I think we have more potential to attract investment, even if only fan made, than bury or wimbledon.

Not saying wed be back in the championship but I think we'd be there or there abouts......and with a sense of "club" that is impossible under the Emperor.

AFC Wimbledon have been going since 2003 and haven't made the Championship. They've actually only finished above 15th once in nine football league seasons (when they won promotion from FL2). Which is not to diminish what they've done, I think it's amazing.

I used Bury as a recent example as I guessed that the league phoenix clubs go into may change over the years- but it would have made more sense to choose one from 12 years ago I suppose.


It'd be nice to think that our fanbase would bond and work together to build up a phoenix club, but I dunno. We might end up with three

[blue lewj]

AFC Wimbledon have been going since 2003 and haven't made the Championship. They've actually only finished above 15th once in nine football league seasons (when they won promotion from FL2). Which is not to diminish what they've done, I think it's amazing.

I used Bury as a recent example as I guessed that the league phoenix clubs go into may change over the years- but it would have made more sense to choose one from 12 years ago I suppose.


It'd be nice to think that our fanbase would bond and work together to build up a phoenix club, but I dunno. We might end up with three

Cardiff, Unsalted Cardiff and I can't believe it's not Cardiff

[Mr Soul '68]

Cardiff, Unsalted Cardiff and I can't believe it's not Cardiff

One would play in blue, one in red, and one in a mixture of red and blue, surely?

[Hilts]

do you ever justify anything ? ****in awesome person to debate with fair play.

Yeah no players no money no owner no manager no coaches.

First step ownership from somewhere found then we need a manager and players. Do we have a ground or has that gone.?

We spent 20 plus years in the lower league so I dont think and all conquering phoenix club is going to storm through the non league and the lower divisions with no money and possibly no ground.

Better going bust!!! Lunacy.

[Divine Wright]

Yeah no players no money no owner no manager no coaches.

First step ownership from somewhere found then we need a manager and players. Do we have a ground or has that gone.?

We spent 20 plus years in the lower league so I dont think and all conquering phoenix club is going to storm through the non league and the lower divisions with no money and possibly no ground.

Better going bust!!! Lunacy.

Wimbledon.


You'd also need investement from the fan base.

[Hilts]

AFC Wimbledon have been going since 2003 and haven't made the Championship. They've actually only finished above 15th once in nine football league seasons (when they won promotion from FL2). Which is not to diminish what they've done, I think it's amazing.

I used Bury as a recent example as I guessed that the league phoenix clubs go into may change over the years- but it would have made more sense to choose one from 12 years ago I suppose.


It'd be nice to think that our fanbase would bond and work together to build up a phoenix club, but I dunno. We might end up with three

Its a fair point. It would mean Cardiff City has died and gone forever. Your talking about a new club.

There could be a couple of phoenix clubs. Why are we assuming a new Welsh Club would go straight through the English system. Could have a club in the Welsh league system.

Thankfully its a scenario that hasnt happened and wishing it had happened as to our current predicament of a likely relegation to L1 is far far a better option.

[Divine Wright]

Why are we assuming a new Welsh Club would go straight through the English system. Could have a club in the Welsh league system.

I guess Newport were allowed back in.

[Hilts]

I guess Newport were allowed back in.

No appetite from their support to set up a club in the Welsh system.

Nothing to stop a group setting up a new club to compete in the Welsh system alongside a different club.

[Rock_Flock_of_Five]

You can't have a Director of Football until you have someone competent enough to choose the right person for the job.

If it's left to Choo and Dalman to pick the best man for the job, i.e. someone who has a wealth of football knowledge but hasn't held such a position before, then you wouldn't be overly confident they'd get it right - in the same way they seldom get their managerial selection right.
The chain of events would require Choo and Dalman to leave first, before a DoF was brought in.

If they were to remain, the only hope would be that they headhunt a 'tried and tested' DoF who is currently employed at another club, but that will likely come at a high risk of compensation payment.

[dml1954]

You can't have a Director of Football until you have someone competent enough to choose the right person for the job.

If it's left to Choo and Dalman to pick the best man for the job, i.e. someone who has a wealth of football knowledge but hasn't held such a position before, then you wouldn't be overly confident they'd get it right - in the same way they seldom get their managerial selection right.
The chain of events would require Choo and Dalman to leave first, before a DoF was brought in.

If they were to remain, the only hope would be that they headhunt a 'tried and tested' DoF who is currently employed at another club, but that will likely come at a high risk of compensation payment.

It cant happen, in the current football world and financial climate. How many other EFL clubs have a director of football currently ? - very few I would guess. Most managers also don't like working with a DoF.

[Divine Wright]

How many other EFL clubs have a director of football currently ? - very few I would guess.

You're guessing.

I know that Brentford have one. QPR have improved massively since going down that route. Basically every elite side in europe has one.

I think you'd be surprised by how many clubs have a Director of Football, Sporting director or a Head of Football Operations. Most successful sides nowadays have some overlooking the long term plan of the club. If you don't , you end up with a miss-mash of players on expensive contracts.....which is exactly where we are at.

I listened to the QPR DoF speaking on the 72+ podcast. He said that QPR were basically stuffed for a while because they had a team, after going through various managers over a few seasons, that were one, costing the club a lot of money, and two, had no continuity as a group. They are only now beginning to put together a coherent plan in terms of recruitment and playing style... and it's baring fruit.

[the other bob wilson]

You're guessing.

I know that Brentford have one. QPR have improved massively since going down that route. Basically every elite side in europe has one.

I think you'd be surprised by how many clubs have a Director of Football, Sporting director or a Head of Football Operations. Most successful sides nowadays have some overlooking the long term plan of the club. If you don't , you end up with a miss-mash of players on expensive contracts.....which is exactly where we are at.

I listened to the QPR DoF speaking on the 72+ podcast. He said that QPR were basically stuffed for a while because they had a team, after going through various managers over a few seasons, that were one, costing the club a lot of money, and two, had no continuity as a group. They are only now beginning to put together a coherent plan in terms of recruitment and playing style... and it's baring fruit.

QPR had Warnock as manager as well didn’t they, what a coincidence! What an irony that the manager most responsible for our squad of highly paid, unskilled giants on long contracts with hardly any resale value could end up being the one who gets the second bloke to have failed to sort out the mess he left behind the sack.

[stan butler]

QPR had Warnock as manager as well didn’t they, what a coincidence! What an irony that the manager most responsible for our squad of highly paid, unskilled giants on long contracts with hardly any resale value could end up being the one who gets the second bloke to have failed to sort out the mess he left behind the sack.

Boro need to be careful or it will happen there to.
Starts off with bargains then brings players in for silly money and/or on silly wages and when he leaves the club finds itself in a mess.

[dml1954]

You're guessing.

I know that Brentford have one. QPR have improved massively since going down that route. Basically every elite side in europe has one.

I think you'd be surprised by how many clubs have a Director of Football, Sporting director or a Head of Football Operations. Most successful sides nowadays have some overlooking the long term plan of the club. If you don't , you end up with a miss-mash of players on expensive contracts.....which is exactly where we are at.

I listened to the QPR DoF speaking on the 72+ podcast. He said that QPR were basically stuffed for a while because they had a team, after going through various managers over a few seasons, that were one, costing the club a lot of money, and two, had no continuity as a group. They are only now beginning to put together a coherent plan in terms of recruitment and playing style... and it's baring fruit.

1). I said that I was guessing.
2). I did say the EFL.
3).. You have named one current Championship club that has a DoF and one that is now in the Prem. Hardly a massive number.
4).. We are not an elite club. Apart from the top teams in the Prem, having a DoF is a costly extra and certainly beyond the finances of most Championship and lower league clubs, especially in the current climate.

Let me know if you find any other clubs in the EFL with a DoF. I am not against the idea of having one by the way but believe it is beyond our current means and that of most other clubs in our position.

[The Lone Gunman]

1)Let me know if you find any other clubs in the EFL with a DoF.

Bournemouth have a Technical Director (Richard Francis) and an Assistant Technical Director (Simon Francis, appointed very recently). Francis worked alongside Eddie Howe for a number of years.

Coventry have a Head of Football Operations (Mike Reid).

Huddersfield have a Head of Football Operations (Leigh Bromby).

Nottingham Forest have a Director of Football (Kyriakos Dourekas).

Middlesbrough have a Head of Football (Kieran Scott - they poached him from Norwich in August).

Swansea City have Sporting Director (Mark Allen, also appointed in August) who is responsible for all of their football operations.

Peterborough have a long-standing Director of Football - good old Barry Fry.

[DubaiDai]

You can't have a Director of Football until you have someone competent enough to choose the right person for the job.

If it's left to Choo and Dalman to pick the best man for the job, i.e. someone who has a wealth of football knowledge but hasn't held such a position before, then you wouldn't be overly confident they'd get it right - in the same way they seldom get their managerial selection right.
The chain of events would require Choo and Dalman to leave first, before a DoF was brought in.

If they were to remain, the only hope would be that they headhunt a 'tried and tested' DoF who is currently employed at another club, but that will likely come at a high risk of compensation payment.

Nail on head.
There isn’t anyone at board level at the club who could make decent football decisions

[sanctum of blue]

Tan has never been shy on the investment side of the club ( training complex, unused tier an academy)

He has been badly burned by his advisors..
-- those investors who reclaimed their millions for advising him we would love red leaving him to take the flak
-- Warnock, spent millions on average aging players and allegedly taking backhanders.
-- Malky as mentioned above somewhere was probably the catalyst Tan not trusting managers
-- His 'yes' men at the club who take a huge wage and have allowed this situation.

He is the owner of a global company and probably has little time to get involved in any of his football teams so relies on 'trusted' advisors whom are shockingly letting him down.

Shame Rick Wright never had the money like Tan so just remember the owners like the Kumars and Hamman who cleaned us out all while pretending to love us!! oh and the riddler.

maybe his new liverpool supporting addition to us could bear fruit