Thanks but this implies that it is only for trust members which is fine I am happy for the trust to represent the views of the trust but this talks about supporters reps and this is wider than the trust?Originally Posted by Enoch Mort
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Thanks but this implies that it is only for trust members which is fine I am happy for the trust to represent the views of the trust but this talks about supporters reps and this is wider than the trust?
God, Cardiff City is like a football soap opera!
It’s just never ending with our club.
I think we should all try and be a bit calm about this, as it’s Dalman talking.
What we really need is for Vincent Tan to come and talk to the fans - not a bland statement.
He’s the owner, after all.
I think Whyte's contact is up at the end of the season too, so that's another who'll almost certainly be leaving.
The note the Trust prepared stated that reps from the Supporters Club and Disabled Supporters Group were also present so, no doubt, they will prepare their own notes of the meeting to circulate to their own members.
Tan playing a very expensive game of Football Manager through his yes men.
It seems he has got bored of this particular game though.
If he thinks that bringing kids in for quality professionals is the way to go then he has learnt nothing from this season at all. Would he admit he was wrong with anything though?
We are cutting cloth due to debts and ffp though.
Debts run up by Tan himself so i'm not sticking up for him it's just the reason why we are cutting back in my opinion..
Tan, Tan the relegation man
Totally agree with your comments and not moved in one iota especially by the club.
The issue for me is not who's there as I don't care but let's be clear on who they are representing which you and others have done
Otherwise it can end up a bit like this board a bit "cliquey" 👍
Fair enough
👍 Thanks helpful
I think we can all see what is happening.
It seems irrelevant who we bring in as manager as Tan, according to Dalman, oversees every football decision so they can't do their job anyway.
That is bad enough without having to bring kids in from the under 23 level and make them competent Championship players overnight.
Could be worse. We could be Man U fans 😂
The words "nail and head" spring to mind. Someone mentioned "meddling'; it's far worse than that, it's dictatorship.
Does that mean the 5 CBs were Tan's idea?
Meddling for me is asking questions from time to time and trying to influence the manager.
Telephone calls after most games and Tan deciding our playing style and not the manager. That is ridiculous.
It seems we haven't moved on from the days of "why isn't David Marshall scoring more goals?"
Come on are people still talking about that comment? Malky and his men played the media far far better than tan at the time. I don't believe for a second tans beef with malky was genuinely that our goalkeeper wasn't scoring enough goals.
If he has the final say on things as hands on as playing style then you'd say it was Tan.
He would at least have made sure it didn't happen again.
It all makes sense now. Man with very little football knowledge tries to stop goals by plugging more centre backs in.
Like a bloke using sand bags before an impending flood.
10 months ago we signed a 4th division striker for £1M who barely played and was sent out on loan. This was in the middle of the pandemic with no-one going to games. Whose idea was that? If it was Tan and he gets a say in footballing matters wouldn't he expect to see the lad playing? Would he be happy that player was sent out on loan?
Also, if Choo and Dalman had okayed Sala then would Tan's input have been needed?
Does Tan have any idea how teams play below first team level? Wouldn't he want them to play the long ball game too?
Dalman answers a question and three more spring up afterwards.
Maybe so but equally rudderless and constrained by the whims of a dictator? Not conspicuously that many.
Last time I checked "overbearing" was a negative character adjective.
Also, last time I checked " a lack of knowledge and experience in the industry" was a bad thing for anyone wishing to work in said industry.
Shouldn't "fit and proper" assessments also consider how much knowledge any potential owner has of the industry and limitations be put on the owners involvement according to how much knowledge she or he has ? There is more than one way to run a club into the ground. Mismanagement of the coaching staff and team are potentially as dangerous as financial mismanagement.
People like VT should be made to employ someone who takes care of football matters.
This guy is a loon...... and for all the promises of leaving the club in a better position, I'm not seeing it, and we've had twelve or so years of this guy now.
Anyone know how much is owed to Tan now ? I appreciate that COVID has hit his business badly but wasn’t he going to clear the debt by now ?
I think the big question is why have dalman and choo set tan like up like they did yesterday? What's in it for them? What's in it for tan? I'm struggling to see who gains from what they did yesterday?
Whether they meant it or not the only message taken away is dalman, choo and even the manager is irrelevant at the club and everything is down to Vincent tan. Style of play, picking the manager, signings, absolutely everything. To choose to announce this when the club is on the worst run it's in entire history (therefore to send any abuse towards tan) seems odd to me and I can't work out who is intended to gain from it?
My personal opinion is tan has long ago lost interest in Cardiff city and he doesn't actually care. He doesn't care what anyone says about him and I don't believe he is anywhere near as involved as people believe he is- or as dalman and choo want everyone to believe he is.
Given all you know about him, you seriously believe that Vincent Tan pours millions of pounds into a business he's lost interest in and has little involvement with?
Incredible.
are people taking a comment that seemed to be about tan being personally involved in a decision as large as sacking the manager, to mean that he made McCarthy pick 5 CBS and basically is forcing long ball upon us ?
Some are.
I'm sure Tan gives his opinion on all sorts of things in his phone calls with the manager or with Dalman or Choo - including throw away comments about playing style. He obviously has the final say on key appointments and the recruitment strategy (buy oven ready or grow your own!) and may make some bad calls because he doesn't understand the consequences of his decisions.
But Dalman's comments today sound like simple deflection - 'don't blame me, I'm just the messenger' even if he does state that 80% of the club's big challenges are sitting on his desk. Whether Tan takes that as a straight statement of fact that he is the final decision maker, or a disloyal attempt to blame the owner for the worst run in club history, we will find out in time.
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