Reply With QuoteHe should get all of those things on £550 per week. After deductions he'd be lucky to net £400. **** that for a week of graft.Originally Posted by blue matt
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So the Chippie blames the Labourer why he's not on more money for his skills, knowledge, tools etc. I don't think that we should look at it that way. A time served tradesman should be on £800 per week on day rate. That's £160 a day. Look how much work these contractors are getting for their money.
He should get all of those things on £550 per week. After deductions he'd be lucky to net £400. **** that for a week of graft.
Perhaps they should retrain ?
Truck drivers are earning 40-50k per annum at the moment. Another skilled job...
What is your problem? It's a hypothetical question, I answered your one.
It's a race to the bottom with this bloke
Thatcher would be proud of him
Oh yes isn't the free market great
Gosh the tories are increasing the minimum wage
But wait ......the people who clearly support them are restless !
Flipping unskilled workers .......if their wages are going to be increased then what about me ? I do a far more important job than cleaners , cooks , carers !
And so it goes on
The Tories are making sure they look after or appear to looking after those that gave them their vote at the last election
But they will soon crap on them from a great height , it's what they do
Bring in incapacity benefit for people affected by years of heavy industry .......then wage a war on them a few decades later to get them in line
Flog em cheap council houses then offer them nothing when they lose their job and fall behind with the mortgage
It's what they do , the axe will soon fall
Exactly. Reminds me of seeing someone in the US angrily asking why recovering drug addicts were given methodone for free when they had to pay $300 per month for insulin. It was pointed out that the drug addict isn't the person to be angry it, it's the people charging $300 for something that costs a fraction of that to produce
Not sure he would blame the Labourer, but he certainly might question why he is providing his tools and knowledge / skills for the same money as a labourer and ask himself why he isn't earning more money and be asking the person paying his wages why this isn't the case
That sounds like a good thing to me
It's what Capitalism thrives on. They have nothing to worry about if we are all blaming each other for our differing degrees of misery. The hospitality industry is taking a hit, and good in my opinion. They've been ripping off workers and using them casually for years. People don't want to do these shitty jobs without breaks, early mornings, low satisfaction levels etc. And still some of theses bosses can be heard saying that people just don't want to work, they don't realise that it's them that have 'Made their bed'
So he should. Although you know as well as i do, that no labourer would be on the same rate as a Trade.
indeed
Which is the point I was making ( or dembe was at the start ) if a Labourer is going to earn £13 a hour, the Chippie will want a good % more than the labourer , which will either eat into " profits " or the cost of Jobs will have to rise
Why are you worrying about people making money off the back of your labour?indeed
Which is the point I was making ( or dembe was at the start ) if a Labourer is going to earn £13 a hour, the Chippie will want a good % more than the labourer , which will either eat into " profits " or the cost of Jobs will have to rise
not worried at all, when I worked for others they always made money from me, thats the way it works
the point was, if the Min living wage is raised to £13 then other wages will have to increase to match it
Just to make this a 14-pager..
What system is better than capitalism?
An Ecosystem.
My experience of working in London tells me workers there accept the long commute is part of life. I'm not saying it's right, but many people who work in London don't live there.
There's a glut of pilots at the moment as the industry collapsed during the pandemic.
What system is worse than capitalism ?
I mean the tearing up of rainforests , raping of Africa, colonialism , the power of the marketplace in this country leading to the worst social care crisis ever due to crap wages being paid by cash rich private companies , a race to the bottom for social housing , the NHS on its absolute fecking arse
All this cobblers about capitalism weeding out the week , recessions then regrowth ?
That's the sort of society people want to live in ?
Feck all that
with all due respect Sludge you're referring to consumerism. We're seeing all of the above in China, who are the antithesis of capitalism. Capitalism per se isn't the problem, and like every economic system it has its merits. there is no one perfect solution and capitalism is the best we have, and works well in countries like Sweden, Denmark and Switzerland - which all have social democracy as their political standard.
As an accountant you are bound to support capitalism and say its the best we have as you are in it to win it
If you are saying accountants cant be socialists, that is a pretty strong argument for capitalism you are making there!
you're making many assumptions there Sludge.
And that will work fine for people on above average money but if we look at someone on £13 an hour. I can only really speak for my area but if someone was not remote working at all (more likely for a lower paid role) then season ticket into London is going to be 3-4k and a 1 bed flat 750-1k a month so at best you are looking at 55-60% of your wage gone just from accommodation and travel to work. You could probably find cheaper areas but the reality is these are all quickly becoming more expensive, a few years ago I could have traveled 5-10 miles and bought a decent 2 bed for 190k, now they are 320k.
Now 40 years ago when my parents moved out from London you could buy a 2 bed for 3-4 times the average wage. That same house would cost probably 10-12 times the average wage now.
Although this is greater than the headline rate of inflation I suspect that the "effective" inflation that people in this wage bracket re seeing is probably higher - we are seeing bib increases in the price of food and of energy costs, and the bigger a proportion of your money you have to spend on that the more inflation you are personally going to feel.
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