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Is Feedback defending "I'd rather wear a turban than a rose"?

He's saying it's not racist

It's been explained to him it is

He's an intelligent bloke

He just has to say I can see that , thanks lads but he's not prepared to do it

The conclusion I make is either He's racist and trying to defend the song or he's not racist but no able to admit he's wrong

I hope its the latter

[gabbsthenewt]

you've garnered all of that from a song that has 9 words.

To be fair it wouldn't hold any of the bite it intends to if the insinuation wasn't that being English is worse than what the chanter believes everyone accepts as to be the lowest of the low; but you know that!

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To be fair it wouldn't hold any of the bite it intends to if the insinuation wasn't that being English is worse than what the chanter believes everyone accepts as to be the lowest of the low; but you know that!

the jacks aren't mentioned at all!

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you've garnered all of that from a song that has 9 words.

You are an arse , clearly

Are you an arse and a racist ? Well I don't think you are doing yourself any favours by continually arguing that the song isn't racist , who is being offended , people take offence too easily blah blah

You digging you way to Antarctica here

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You are an arse , clearly

Are you an arse and a racist ? Well I don't think you are doing yourself any favours by continually arguing that the song isn't racist , who is being offended , people take offence too easily blah blah

You digging you way to Antarctica here

Gabbs has hit the nail on the head. the song isn't racist per se, its designed to wind up the opposition.

[gabbsthenewt]

the jacks aren't mentioned at all!

Indeed

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To be fair it wouldn't hold any of the bite it intends to if the insinuation wasn't that being English is worse than what the chanter believes everyone accepts as to be the lowest of the low; but you know that!

I think he knows that but his Freudian ego won't allow him to accept it

[gabbsthenewt]

Gabbs has hit the nail on the head. the song isn't racist per se, its designed to wind up the opposition.

No no it's racist.

I didn't understand how you couldn't see past Sludge citing a Hindu being upset and uncomfortable by it when it clearly would have the overtone that the person singing it believes *Asians*/*something Asian* to be inferior/something to detest; Indeed I'd say you were guaranteed that anyone stupid enough to sing it wouldn't know which denomination wore a turban its general tone is that hateful.

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No no it's racist.

I didn't understand how you couldn't see past Sludge citing a Hindu being upset and uncomfortable by it when it clearly would have the overtone that the person singing it believes *Asians*/*something Asian* to be inferior/something to detest; Indeed I'd say you were guaranteed that anyone stupid enough to sing it wouldn't know which denomination wore a turban its general tone is that hateful.

I'll ask again, why would a hindu be upset over a song about a turban?

[gabbsthenewt]

I'll ask again, why would a hindu be upset over a song about a turban?

Yeah it's lost on you, I do understand that it is, I don't understand how it is.

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Yeah it's lost on you, I do understand that it is, I don't understand how it is.

its not lost on me at all. I'm asking why would a hindu get upset about something that has no cultural reference to them as individuals?

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its not lost on me at all. I'm asking why would a hindu get upset about something that has no cultural reference to them as individuals?

You're being purposely obtuse here, it's not the Hindu's reference point, it's the welshmans.

It's clearly racist, probably not generally sung with any malice but still racist

[gabbsthenewt]

its not lost on me at all. I'm asking why would a hindu get upset about something that has no cultural reference to them as individuals?

Yes no absolutely now I totally get your point for no-one has ever been attacked by people for their appearance matching that of someone with ancestry of the same region! No-one has ever had a kicking for merely being dark skinned!

Regions don't have cultural ties and commons! No-one is Asian, but only Kashmiri, Indonesian, Gujarati etc etc!

Indeed I'd say you were guaranteed that anyone stupid enough to sing it wouldn't know which denomination wore a turban its general tone is that hateful.

The chant is literally spat out - gratuitously vile!

[gabbsthenewt]

its not lost on me at all. I'm asking why would a hindu get upset about something that has no cultural reference to them as individuals?

Also why do you have to have a cultural reference to anything in particular to find anyone being basically spoken about as being among 'the worst of the worst' upsetting?

[dembethewarrior]

You really are making a dick out of yourself here

That song being sung gets heard by a young Indian lad working as a steward , he tells his mates , he and his mates don't come anymore

Do you think Asian people should have to listen to this song at football or rugby matches ?

Should they just ......toughen up ?

You are an idiot

You told us once, a single post back.

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Gabbs has hit the nail on the head. the song isn't racist per se, its designed to wind up the opposition.

It's a racist song using the apparent low social standing of Asian people to wind up the opposition

It's clearly a racist song

As this thread has developed you are the only one arguing the toss that it isn't or if it is .....People should grow a pair of balls ......etc etc

You are making yourself look like a complete arsehole and coming from me that's saying something

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No no it's racist.

I didn't understand how you couldn't see past Sludge citing a Hindu being upset and uncomfortable by it when it clearly would have the overtone that the person singing it believes *Asians*/*something Asian* to be inferior/something to detest; Indeed I'd say you were guaranteed that anyone stupid enough to sing it wouldn't know which denomination wore a turban its general tone is that hateful.

Wasting your time here mate , it's like pushing water up hill

He just won't accept he's wrong

His pride won't allow him to do it

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You told us once, a single post back.

I wasn't talking to you

You are a lost cause I am afraid

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And it's banter

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I remember being in the away end down the Vetch as a 16 year old , straight off the train

The song I'd rather be black than a Swansea Jack was sung by about 20 lads to our right , a black guy said s t f u , that's racist

At the time I thought naaa but it's the same sort of song .......Swansea people are soo low in society that I would rather be black ! than come from Swansea

Both are clearly using racial groups to mock other fans and are therefore not acceptable

There can be no argument

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who knows. if this song ever does rear its head when watching the city, why not ask those singing it what it means to them. I reckon most if not all hadn't really given it that much thought as to what they are singing.

So they are thoughtless

Or racist

[gabbsthenewt]

Right enough of this I'm off to listen to some Public Enemy

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Right enough of this I'm off to listen to some Public Enemy

Bring the noise !

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Bring the noise !

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This thread is unbelievable, one man make himself look a bit silly about misunderstanding the target of a song, then instead of holding his hands and laughing at himself about it spends the next 9 pages twisting himself in knots defending a song that is quite clearly racist even though he himself is not. There's some absolutely mad ones on this board