Reply With Quoteand starts saying stuff like "cancel culture" and "pile on" as wellOriginally Posted by Croesy Blue
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You’ve got a point.
and starts saying stuff like "cancel culture" and "pile on" as well
Lots of posh, well-off, well-connected, politicians meeting to decide how much the poorer 'little people' will have to pay and suffer. It's all about meeting up in posh hotels, having a good piss up, top quality food, lots of photos, and massaging their fat enormous egos.
Ah a Climate change thread with Greta included
must mean life is getting back to normal after Covid
Do you mean that's what climate change is about, or thats what government responses are about?
Sounds like you’re describing the problems with capitalism rather than climate change.
I don't think capitalism and climate change have much in common; Communist countries don't have good environmental records, nor do socialist countries such as Venezuela.
Those who have decarbonised the most are all resolutely capitalist, and it is from within capitalism that solutions will inevitably be solved.
This isn't meant as a defence of capitalism, which is merely famously the "least worse economic system apart from all the others" it's just that this topic is too important to get lost in wider economic arguments.
We need all countries, all ideologies, all economies to get on board and implying that to deliver climate change means dumping capitalism is only going to make the argument less appealing. It is in fact the big mistake that many Green parties have made, and why they are generally so unelectable.
Personally, I'd avoid conflating the two issues.
That's not at all what what is being said by Monkfish and Croesy here.
If rich politicians are gathering to discuss their response, which is likely to impact poor people most, then that is not happening because of climate change. Climate change is just the guise under which they're doing it.
I wasn’t conflating the two issues even slightly.
As with a lot of political ideologies capitalism works as long as it isn’t being fronted by a bunch of corrupt greedy millionaires with no grasp of or real care for humanity.
Unfortunately in many western countries that’s the exact type of people who are in charge.
Fair enough
Unfortunately - especially for younger people - the low-tax, free market world will soon be a thing of the past. Added to this, ordinary people are be told to pay for policies like 'zero carbon' . Policies that are driven by those to whom it will have no financial impact.
But we need those policies. The problem you have is with the shite people we have in charge of putting them in place and funding then by increasing taxes on the poor rather than the rich.
The last point is valid, but comes up against the same old problem governments have had for the last 100 years ; you can tax the rich as much as you want, but there aren't enough of them to make any difference. You can't tax the 'poor', ie those below the tax threshold, receiving benefits, so the burden ends up on the middle class, which really means anyone else, including probably 95% of us on here.
There are definitely enough rich to make a difference
You can say the same when it comes to paying for the effects of covid, and I'd agree with that too. It'll be us who pay.
But I think you're suggesting that climate change is manufactured, or at least exaggerated, in order to create the policies. I'd say it's a very real and incredibly serious problem that's not being dealt with properly on a global scale.
You're just making stuff up here. Young people want the richest, those who've benefited from insane levels of wealth inequality, those who've bought out our governmenrs to rig tax laws to fix the damage.
How are ordinary people told to pay for policies like zero carbon?
Climate change is real, though I wonder what difference anything the UK does will have any effect. I don't think Boris thinks it will either - he just likes the glory, media attention, kudos, that goes with it all - plus keep his Missus happy.
Are you serious ? Who do you think is paying for it then.
That is true because they have managed to brainwash people into thinking that tax = income tax. Obscene inherited generational wealth is barely touched whilst every penny the average person (earning 20k or 200k) earns from employment is scrutinised.
Dull as phucking dog shiit.
Excuse me? Of course she should face scrutiny. If everything she advocated kicked in tomorrow millions would lose their jobs. I am very pro greening our economy but it needs to be done whilst taking account of numerous factors. No issue with campaigning but if you put someone up to make political statements, they should be allowed to be criticised. Otherwise they are a religious leader in a theocracy. Nothing wrong with it, but people are allowed to question what she says. That's creepy otherwise.
And I have explained why someone who gets paid for something and votes a way may not be corrupt. It happens all the time, and as explained, MPs get paid by trade unions all the time and vote for pro trade union policies. It doesn't mean they are corrupt. Either way, politicians are scrutinized and elected so it's all fine. It's a totally different scenario.
Just because you want someone to be corrupt doesn't make it so. If you know otherwise about this MP you should report it to the Parliamentary Standards Commissioner. I suspect you won't be doing that.
Who the hell is Greta Thunberg anyway?
Nobody is really paying for it at the moment as we are doing **** all.
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