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  1. #61

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue View Post
    I'd love to see or take part in the Holi Celebrations.
    It looks like amazing fun.
    I have been to a couple and i love it!

  2. #62

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    Quote Originally Posted by adz-a32 View Post
    I have been to a couple and i love it!
    Hope you didn't wear anything too expensive :)

  3. #63

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divine Wright View Post
    Seems a bit absolute this opinion. I always have my doubts about absolutists.

    Then again, I can't tell you how much I have benefited from studying the Bayeux Tapestry and the battle of Hastings at GCSE level. Totally opened things up for me.

    In all seriousness. As someone who only holds a passing interest in history, the book I enjoyed most was John Davies' a History of Wales. Gives a whole new understanding of the modern idea of being British. An antidote to the toxic British nationalism of recent times possibly.

    Alas. We have to learn about the good old industrial revolution..... another bad idea it seems.
    Nothing absolutist about it in the slightest. It's down to the practicalities of living in a finite space. I'm sure the book you alluded to is very interesting as maybe a million others probably are on a million other chronological experiences but where does the point begin and end where something had to be included and something excluded from historical teaching?

    I agree with you about the disgusting nature of British (or any other for that matter) nationalism and the Industrial Revolution was an awful indictment on how sentient beings were cruelly exploited for personal gain. However, it was a crucial aspect in explaining the development of the modern world so is of crucial value in any understanding of History.

  4. #64

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue View Post
    Hope you didn't wear anything too expensive :)
    of course not! though mum knew how to wash the holi powder off so my clothes were saved

  5. #65

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    You could teach them yourself. A great deal of what children learn is from their parents and grandparents

  6. #66

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    Quote Originally Posted by nugent View Post
    People have skewed what I said here lads.
    I got no objection to em being taught anything, however being taught a foreign topic before British history is quite wrong.
    Not being taught about bonfire night =/= not being taught British history

  7. #67

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    Nothing absolutist about it in the slightest. It's down to the practicalities of living in a finite space. I'm sure the book you alluded to is very interesting as maybe a million others probably are on a million other chronological experiences but where does the point begin and end where something had to be included and something excluded from historical teaching?

    I agree with you about the disgusting nature of British (or any other for that matter) nationalism and the Industrial Revolution was an awful indictment on how sentient beings were cruelly exploited for personal gain. However, it was a crucial aspect in explaining the development of the modern world so is of crucial value in any understanding of History.
    I think the point COULD be geographical. It IS very important to understand one's own history and , putting a globalist view to one side for a moment, we have only shared the last thousand or so years with England and for a number those centuries the English were an invading, occupying force. Things existed before which a majority of Welsh people are probably unaware of. These things are important in understanding our current cultural and political position within the union. Even the word "union" is a little misleading considering we were absorbed by the kingdom of England.

    To say that understanding these aspects of our countries history would be comparable to learning about the history of Tonga or Myanmar in terms of its usefulness is to ignore the fact that we have our own history in Wales. That to me seems a little bit strange.

    The broadness and intricacies of studying the events that shaped the modern, globalised world is way beyond your average teens ability to comprehend imo. I think it generally paints "the Brits" as the heroes of the story too. I would have found a comprehensive teaching of our countries' history much more relatable and practical. How industrialisation affected south wales. How we became a part of the UK. How our language came into decline. We have an abundance of history of our own.

  8. #68

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canton Kev View Post
    Not being taught about bonfire night =/= not being taught British history
    Or the Caerphilly Cheese Festival

  9. #69

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divine Wright View Post
    I think the point COULD be geographical. It IS very important to understand one's own history and , putting a globalist view to one side for a moment, we have only shared the last thousand or so years with England and for a number those centuries the English we Jore an invading, occupying force. Things existed before which a majority of Welsh people are probably unaware of. These things are important in understanding our current cultural and political position within the union. Even the word "union" is a little misleading considering we were absorbed by the kingdom of England.

    To say that understanding these aspects of our countries history would be comparable to learning about the history of Tonga or Myanmar in terms of its usefulness is to ignore the fact that we have our own history in Wales. That to me seems a little bit strange.

    The broadness and intricacies of studying the events that shaped the modern, globalised world is way beyond your average teens ability to comprehend imo. I think it generally paints "the Brits" as the heroes of the story too. I would have found a comprehensive teaching of our countries' history much more relatable and practical. How industrialisation affected south wales. How we became a part of the UK. How our language came into decline. We have an abundance of history of our own.

    It's hardly strange to compare our "history" as you put it to that of Tonga. That is the comparable value of the Welsh experience to the historical development of the World. I'm sorry you wish it to be otherwise but I can't do anything about it.

    Your point about us having a lot of "history" in Wales is simply your ignorance of what History is all about. Every single part of the World has a huge chronological story to tell, most of it being of no significance to the understanding of the development of the World as it is today.

    I guess you are a Welsh culurist and what you are talking about is children gaining a detailed knowledge of Welsh culture and it's chronology. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that in my opinion but I think it should be a voluntary extra curricular activity and in any case has absolutely nothing to do with History. Your stance is exactly the same as the OP's who just wants British culture as opposed to world culture taught in schools, relegating us to being a cultural ghetto. For you, substitute Welsh for British.

  10. #70

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    It's hardly strange to compare our "history" as you put it to that of Tonga. That is the comparable value of the Welsh experience to the historical development of the World. I'm sorry you wish it to be otherwise but I can't do anything about it.

    Your point about us having a lot of "history" in Wales is simply your ignorance of what History is all about. Every single part of the World has a huge chronological story to tell, most of it being of no significance to the understanding of the development of the World as it is today.

    I guess you are a Welsh culurist and what you are talking about is children gaining a detailed knowledge of Welsh culture and it's chronology. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that in my opinion but I think it should be a voluntary extra curricular activity and in any case has absolutely nothing to do with History. Your stance is exactly the same as the OP's who just wants British culture as opposed to world culture taught in schools, relegating us to being a cultural ghetto. For you, substitute Welsh for British.
    That seems a little bit arrogant and condescending.

    I think it would be virtually impossible to substitute "Wales" for "Britain" in almost any circumstance given the situation both entities find themselves in.....and due to the influence one of these entities has had on the others current predicament. It's naive to make the comparison between me and the OP in this sense.

    I know more about England than I do my own country and the OP and you are advocating for more of that.

    Your History (by the way, the definition of History is "the study of past events, particularly in human affairs.") smothers anything deemed irrelevant by you.

    It's important to know who you are and how you got here. Knowing that a bunch of rich, white people have been assassinated over the years and that another bunch of rich, white people conquered half the planet doesn't necessarily tell me who I am.

    I think that that is the role of History. And I'm speaking as someone (not a Welsh culurist (I think that's a posh word for a bodybuilder anyhow ) as you so nicely put it) who has probably received the type of History you deem relevant. It didn't do much for me.

  11. #71

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    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    The self deprecating nature of the British is depressing at times

    Yes Britain have been arseholes, no different to pretty much any other country on earth.
    Only others that have had large empires I would think.

  12. #72

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divine Wright View Post
    That seems a little bit arrogant and condescending.

    I think it would be virtually impossible to substitute "Wales" for "Britain" in almost any circumstance given the situation both entities find themselves in.....and due to the influence one of these entities has had on the others current predicament. It's naive to make the comparison between me and the OP in this sense.

    I know more about England than I do my own country and the OP and you are advocating for more of that.

    Your History (by the way, the definition of History is "the study of past events, particularly in human affairs.") smothers anything deemed irrelevant by you.

    It's important to know who you are and how you got here. Knowing that a bunch of rich, white people have been assassinated over the years and that another bunch of rich, white people conquered half the planet doesn't necessarily tell me who I am.

    I think that that is the role of History. And I'm speaking as someone (not a Welsh culurist (I think that's a posh word for a bodybuilder anyhow ) as you so nicely put it) who has probably received the type of History you deem relevant. It didn't do much for me.
    Well I don't think it was arrogant and condescending at all so let's put that one to bed.

    No one is saying it's not important to know who you are and how you got here but for children to get a grip of world history they need to study the long chain of events and reasons which lead up to where the world has developed today. There's only so much information can be provided in a school curriculum and there's only so much information a child can take in. Educators need to prioritize.

    It's hardly naive to compare your stance with the OP's. You both want similar outcomes but in slightly different ways. He wants to prioritize British History over World History and you want to prioritize Welsh History over what you call English History. The only reason he is on more solid ground is because English/Scottish/British History had made a major contribution to World History while Welsh History has contributed very little. There are only so many hours in a school day, just what out of the school curriculum should be taken out to accommodate your Welsh History fix? Whatever is taken out will leave your average student woefully weak on the major history of the World. We already miss out on crucial aspects of history of huge influential parts of the World. I'm just really glad my children weren't put in that position.

    As for culurist, can't you recognize a typo when you see one? It was meant to be Welsh Culturist but anyway you've enlightened me because I wasn't aware a bodybuilder was also known as a Culurist.

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    Who wants to learn about welsh history pmsl.

    We're a little principality with a big chip on our shoulder.

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  14. #74

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    These days if you say you’re British they throw you in jail.
    .....if you say you're British they throw you in jail?

  15. #75

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    Quote Originally Posted by kendoddsdadsdogsdead View Post
    .....if you say you're British they throw you in jail?
    These days if you say you’re british they throw you in jail

  16. #76

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    These days if you say you’re british they throw you in jail
    Are you saying these days if you say you are British they throw you in jail ?

  17. #77

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Are you saying these days if you say you are British they throw you in jail ?
    If you say you're British these days they throw you in jail

  18. #78

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    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    If you say you're British these days they throw you in jail
    What ?

    If you say you are British these days they throw you in jail ?

  19. #79

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    What ?

    If you say you are British these days they throw you in jail ?
    But are you thrown in a British jail?

  20. #80

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    Quote Originally Posted by nugent View Post
    Now what is happening here in the world? Uh?
    Where my grandkids are taught Asian holiday history
    Small price to pay considering Britain tried to colonise the entire bloody subcontinent. As for the origins of Bonfire Night, that's a boring history lesson that'll probably be taught to them when they're older.

    TL:DR - you're the snowflake.

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