Record number of migrants crossing

[JamesWales]

Order-order, that politically neutral website...... If that's one of your sources of "information" then it explains a lot!

Classic whataboutery! And a common tactic. "You must use a source I read!" whilst ignoring everything I actually wrote.

I am very strict in making sure I read from a variety of news sources. I think thats really important.

Otherwise, you just go down rabbit-holes and criticise news sources without reading them, thus heading further into said rabbit hole.

In that spirit, perhaps instead of criticising the source (which is an opinion piece in a website known for it's expose's of all parties and one you presumably don't read?) you can explain where it is incorrect?

How is the situation in Belarus absolutely unacceptable, yet in France it's all fine and dandy. "Nothing to see here!"?

[Hometown Unicorn!]

Many reasons why migrants come here rather than stay in other European countries, although thousands do end up staying in other nations.

The number one reason for refugees continuing their journey to the UK is that they have family here and it's reported that covers 50% of cases.

They also may have already learned English and would find it easier to adapt and find work as a result. Also sometimes, for whatever reason, the traffickers they may have paid to get them out have already pre-determined they are going to the UK. These can be pretty dangerous guys, so your not going to argue with them really when everything is at stake.

[Grangenders]

Maybe our Vincent could offer to help out. There could be a decent left back out there somewhere.

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

It's a fact of life these days. Way more immigrants end up in Germany, France, Italy etc than make it over here, and numbers are going up all over the world. How do you stop so many people wanting to flee their own countries to make a better life for themselves and their families? Perhaps we shouldn't have cut our overseas aid budget.

Numbers will keep going up when more and more of the planet becomes uninhabitable due to climate change too.

(There, that's calmed the debate down by throwing in foreign aid and climate change 😁).

[JamesWales]

It's a fact of life these days. Way more immigrants end up in Germany, France, Italy etc than make it over here, and numbers are going up all over the world. How do you stop so many people wanting to flee their own countries to make a better life for themselves and their families? Perhaps we shouldn't have cut our overseas aid budget.

Numbers will keep going up when more and more of the planet becomes uninhabitable due to climate change too.

(There, that's calmed the debate down by throwing in foreign aid and climate change ��).

haha, you are absolutely right on all points, although I'm okay with the temporary aid budget cut and we are still far more generous than most.

Climate change in particular could render great swathes of the world as unsuitable for viable habitation. In terms of making other countries better places to live, it's a very difficult thing to solve.

My point is merely that this is an issue, we shouldnt pretend it isn't, and the practicalities of dealing with that level of daily migration (its not 1000 every day of course) is significant. They all need to be housed, fed, processed, checked, looked after etc etc

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I thought we were taking back control of our borders with Brexit.

Thank god for Brexit

[Tuerto]

How many safe countries do they pass through?

Who ****ing cares. If I was in the Same position then I'd want to go where my friends were living or where there was a sizeable community and where I could get work. What's wrong with that-wouldn't you do the same? Just because people are poor it doesn't mean that they shouldn't express choice in order to improve their lives. You being a self employed man go where the work is, where the money is. Does that only apply to you?

[lardy]

Who ****ing cares. If I was in the Same position then I'd want to go where my friends were living or where there was a sizeable community and where I could get work. What's wrong with that-wouldn't you do the same? Just because people are poor it doesn't mean that they shouldn't express choice in order to improve their lives. You being a self employed man go where the work is, where the money is. Does that only apply to you?

It's nimbyism

[Former Labour leader]

Order-order, that politically neutral website...... If that's one of your sources of "information" then it explains a lot!

James Wales outed,at last, as a Paul Staines fanboy.

[JamesWales]

James Wales outed,at last, as a Paul Staines fanboy.

It's important to read news from a variety of sources. Otherwise you are no better than a bible studies kid who retains Peter Pan thinking his entire life.

Tell me what's on your approved media list comrade, and I'll try and find something making a similar point, so you can't ignore every point made and hide some weak nitpicking about the source.

I'm guessing: Guardian, Mirror, Independent, Novara Media, Squarkbox, Another Angry Voice..that kind of thing, yeah? I guess you read the Daily Mail, but only the headlines when re-tweeted on twitter by someone outraged.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

France have lost the plot, stop their money, why are the migrants not staying in the safe countries in the EU?
This is taking the mick now and has to stop.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59257107
#prayingforstormyseasthiswinter

Out of interest, on a hypothetical basis, if we had migrants coming across the water from Ireland and America, would you object to those as well?

[the other bob wilson]

I’m confused. When there was a Referendum to be won, it was all about “securing our borders”. Pre Brexit, immigration from the European mainland was all down to open borders and refugees “flooding” into the UK. Now, we have “secured our borders” by leaving the EU and are getting record daily numbers crossing the channel, it’s still the fault of the French/EU!

[Eric the Half a Bee]

It's important to read news from a variety of sources. Otherwise you are no better than a bible studies kid who retains Peter Pan thinking his entire life.

Tell me what's on your approved media list comrade, and I'll try and find something making a similar point, so you can't ignore every point made and hide some weak nitpicking about the source.

I'm guessing: Guardian, Mirror, Independent, Novara Media, Squarkbox, Another Angry Voice..that kind of thing, yeah? I guess you read the Daily Mail, but only the headlines when re-tweeted on twitter by someone outraged.

It's also important to notice when political websites make stuff up, especially at the extreme left and right end. You should also realise that the right wing press are far more guilty of making up stories than the left wing press. Each year the Mail and Express deliberately lie and print more false stories to suit their agendas than anyone else.

[JamesWales]

It's also important to notice when political websites make stuff up, especially at the extreme left and right end. You should also realise that the right wing press are far more guilty of making up stories than the left wing press. Each year the Mail and Express deliberately lie and print more false stories to suit their agendas than anyone else.

I agree, but what is made up in that opinion piece, that draws on the hypocrisy between the situation in Belarus (which is actually a dictatorship) and that in France (which isnt)?

What is false about it? There's starving people on the Belarus / Polish border as we speak.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

It's important to read news from a variety of sources. Otherwise you are no better than a bible studies kid who retains Peter Pan thinking his entire life.

Tell me what's on your approved media list comrade, and I'll try and find something making a similar point, so you can't ignore every point made and hide some weak nitpicking about the source.

I'm guessing: Guardian, Mirror, Independent, Novara Media, Squarkbox, Another Angry Voice..that kind of thing, yeah? I guess you read the Daily Mail, but only the headlines when re-tweeted on twitter by someone outraged.

That gido fawkes is a big fat Thatcher boy

[JamesWales]

That gido fawkes is a big fat Thatcher boy

Two minutes ago you were bemoaning us not being in the Single Market anymore, Thatcher boy!

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

It's human nature

Britain has communities living here from all over the world

South East Wales in particular

There is a large somali population in Cardiff so when there was a civil war in the 1990s refugees were directed towards Cardiff and its probably true many were headed here or London or Liverpool anyway .

When brits go abroad many head to the English or Irish bars and cafes in Benidorm

Australians in the UK tend to head towards King's Cross

It's never going to stop , as sure as night follows day the population of this country will increase and the demographic will change .

Any government pandering to those opposed to immigration need to be truthful but you won't get that with the Conservatives

[JamesWales]

It's human nature

Britain has communities living here from all over the world

South East Wales in particular

There is a large somali population in Cardiff so when there was a civil war in the 1990s refugees were directed towards Cardiff and its probably true many were headed here or London or Liverpool anyway .

When brits go abroad many head to the English or Irish bars and cafes in Benidorm

Australians in the UK tend to head towards King's Cross

It's never going to stop , as sure as night follows day the population of this country will increase and the demographic will change .

Any government pandering to those opposed to immigration need to be truthful but you won't get that with the Conservatives

No one will disagree with much of that, but you are confusing legal immigration with migrants paying criminal gangs to cross the English channel.

It's not the same thing and saying it doesn't solve the problem.

[Hilts]

The angry Daily Mail readers wanted Brexit.

Brexit Britain.

[JamesWales]

The angry Daily Mail readers wanted Brexit.

Brexit Britain.

Apart from on Sundays. Or maybe you shouldn't make such sweeping statements?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...R-Britain.html

[Hilts]

Apart from on Sundays. Or maybe you shouldn't make such sweeping statements?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...R-Britain.html

No ill still stick with angry Daily Mail readers. That probably made them even more angry.

[JamesWales]

No ill still stick with angry Daily Mail readers. That probably made them even more angry.

Okay, I've just given you an editorial from the Mail on Sunday on dailymail.com urging it's readers to Vote Remain, but go ahead. Things are probably simpler for you when you don't challenge your own prejudices.

If your concerns are for readers being swayed by newspapers, then your concerns lie elsewhere
https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/study...eu-referendum/

[Hilts]

Okay, I've just given you an editorial from the Mail on Sunday on dailymail.com urging it's readers to Vote Remain, but go ahead. Things are probably simpler for you when you don't challenge your own prejudices.

Calm down. You won.

[Croesy Blue]

Whenever this is in the news all I think is what more important news are they trying to surpress this time. You think people would catch on but nothing gets the great british public more distracted and foaming at the mouth than a dingy full of immigrants.

[Raymond Holt]

Whenever this is in the news all I think is what more important news are they trying to surpress this time. You think people would catch on but nothing gets the great british public more distracted and foaming at the mouth than a dingy full of immigrants.

Precisely. I suppose a dramatic headline about a 'record' number of migrants crossing the channel has nothing to do with distracting people from the conclusion of COP26.

It amazes me when reading anything about migrants, that nobody on any side of the political spectrum seems to be overly critical of the foreign policy of the UK and US, which undoubtedly causes the majority of the migrants we see fleeing north Africa and the Middle East into Europe. You can go down the list of these unstable nations where people are fleeing for their lives and go "Yep, that's caused by us.. oh yep, we have a hand in that one too".

If it's not US sanctions crippling an entire nation, it's funding or arming one side in a conflict. If it's not all out invasion and occupation then it's providing military training or military support to the side that suits our interests the best, regardless of the cost to human life.

You won't read about that though. Forget the outrage about what this paper printed or that channel broadcast - it's what they aren't reporting on and printing in the papers that you should be pissed off about. Propaganda by omission.