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Played in an all ex-Cardiff front two with Magennis for Northern Ireland in the 0 - 0 draw with Italy last night.
The Belfast Telegraph said
"Gavin Whyte 8/10: Got Tonali a booking and looked lively going forward in his first competitive game since March. Didn’t hesitate to help team"
He's played games for Oxford recently?Originally Posted by PhyllisStant
I think they mean first competitive game for NI since March. Given our lack of pace, wingers and budget I thin we have to utilise him.
He's online there and doing well according to one of Oxford's fans I had a chat with the other day. She would be happy to keep him at the club. We could do with him back.
Never looked good enough for us
Probably deserves a chance under the new regime.
Agreed. Give him a go and he could flourish.
Based on what? He's had plenty of chances. He doesn't do anything apart from work hard. He's not scored and has 1 assist in 14 games this season. He's not even starting every week for Oxford. Hull didn't want him back. He's not good enough.
Hard worker is what we need at full back/wing back but do get what you’re saying
£2m well spent then
That's harsh. I'd take a hard worker over the flaccid lot I've paid to watch this season. Have you seen where we are in the table? We're never going to get any money back unless we play him and if he's bloody good enough to play for Northern Ireland and help to hold Italy to a 0-0 draw, he's certainly bloody good enough to play for us.
I wouldn’t say we are where we are because of lack of effort, I think everyone has put a shift in but lack of structure and tactics has cost us.
Although I do think he is worth keeping.
Yes to a lack of structure and tactics but there's been some lazy and sloppy performances by senior pros too. A record 8 defeats and a GD of -14 doesn't let the players off the hook. Mick was mad as a March hare though.
Signings like Whyte are why we are in this mess. He's got no footballing talent apart from hard work and being quite quick. He offers absolutely sod all on the pitch. He rarely goes past a man, he's not scored in 31 games for us, he's not scored in 13 games for Oxford. He has 4 goals and 2 assists in 2 and a half seasons. Hull didn't want to resign him, and they're worse than us. He's an honest player but he is not good enough. He's had 5 managers (including the 2 loan managers) and he's done nothing for any of them.
Re Northern Ireland comment, there are two squad players for Sunderland in that side and another League One player. That is not an indication of their quality.
I suppose what I don't like is kicking the player(s). I've watched some utter phoned-in performances by so-called senior pros in our squad this season. Whyte wasn't even playing.
What does Whyte have? Pace. What are we short of? Pace. Could the new messiah Morison get something out of him? If he's as good as everyone thinks he might be (sic) then I'd have him.
But let's park that coz it's all guesswork and opinion. I do agree that it's signing's like Whyte that have contributed to the mess we're in. But let's not forget who signed him for an undisclosed fee (I've seen figures of £2M but have no idea if these are correct).
This is the quote from Neil Warnock in July 2019 "I watched a lot of Gavin while we were scouting Curtis Nelson. He just excited me so much. He's full of enthusiasm and is just the type of player that we were looking for. I think he'll be a fans' favourite for years to come.".
He clearly didn't see as much of him as a lot of other people did in Belfast in January 2019 when he was filmed masturbating in the street after a NI match (my grammar makes that sound even more bizarre than it already is). This also made the quote by our Gav when he signed a tad unfortunate: "I'm delighted," he said. "When I first heard about the move, I couldn't wait to come here.
Not helped by also adding "I'm a hard worker".
In fairness to the lad he was 'mortified'. As I'm sure many of us would be if we 'were filmed'.
Look, I'm a cynical s*d these days. Neil-got-us-promoted-then-relegated-from-the-PL-Warnock signed him. Is that Whyte's fault? No. Am I asking a lot of questions then answering them myself? Yes.
Did he really watch him? Hmm. I wonder who ate all the porkie pies? Jeez, I can't stop myself!
Always wondered if he could make a decent wing back, but he seems to be operating through the middle a lot more these days
But he's never played at full-back or wing-back.
He may end up being not good enough, but I'd rather it was decided with the new manager taking a look first.
There was obviously something there for him to be signed in the first place. Though with hindsight I'd have taken Lowe first..
I've always thought he may do well there too, know he hasn't played there but, at least under warnocks tactics I thought he could do a job there. Not to say he could obviously..
Played 31 times for us.
Based on what he's shown so far in a Cardiff shirt and when I've watched him play for Northern Ireland, I think we're struggling if we're relying on players like Gavin Whyte.
Aren't we struggling at the moment though Bob? Do you really think he'd not play well under Steve Morison? I know we've placed all our chips on youth but we're still in a financial conundrum. I want him to do well enough for us so we can at least try and offload him for some much-needed cash. Genuinely, what am I missing here?
We’re in fight to stay in the Championship, logic suggests we need players of Championship quality to win that fight. I see nothing in Gavin Whyte’s career since he moved to his first EFL career to indicate that, in his mid twenties, he’s anything better than a good League One player. That’s the level he was at in his first spell at Oxford, he then couldn’t keep his place at Cardiff and was loaned to another League One club that won promotion while he was there, but, although I’m guessing they definitely could have him on loan this season as well, they chose not to do so for the higher level they are now at, so he finds himself back in League One with Oxford - we need better than that.
OK, I get that and certainly respect your analysis but how is 'championship quality' measured? Wintle, most would say, is passing the test but what of Watters, say, who's not playing at that level? Also, isn't the only true measure of championship quality one where a player has been successful over a season and has been part of a successful (as in non-relegated) side? How does that square with our youth policy? I get that you don't rate Whyte and that's cool. But surely we have to be careful that we don't allow our own bias and wishful thinking (I'm not talking about you here BTW) to objectively assess our dogfight capabilities. We've a terrible record of prematurely or inappropriately writing players off at Cardiff so I guess I'm just playing devils advocate in order to understand why this happens.
I worded that badly at the end...I meant to write 'But surely we have to be careful that we don't allow our own bias and wishful thinking (I'm not talking about you here BTW) to get in the way of objectively assessing our dogfight capabilities
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