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  1. #1

    Re: Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Canton Kev View Post
    Where’s your proof the world is 6000 years old ��
    As Manuel said on Fawlty Towers - I read it in a book

  2. #2

    Re: Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by truthpaste View Post
    I had an online meeting. It happens.

    What hasn't happened is ANYONE providing a source for their 'silver bullet' fact.

    Take your time. See you tomorrow, God willing.
    You can carbon date it, I’ve done similar when studying, it’s not a difficult thing to do.

    The thing is it’s pointless debating because you’ll just say it’s a test from god. Who plants dinosaur fossils and cross shaped proteins but won’t stop babies being born with aids or kids from dying of cancer.

    Even if it was real who’d want to worship that.

  3. #3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    You can carbon date it, I’ve done similar when studying, it’s not a difficult thing to do.

    The thing is it’s pointless debating because you’ll just say it’s a test from god. Who plants dinosaur fossils and cross shaped proteins but won’t stop babies being born with aids or kids from dying of cancer.

    Even if it was real who’d want to worship that.
    In a universe that is currently assessed as having a diameter of 23 trilion light years there's probably a star cluster somewhere that resembles a teapot from a certain angle. The suspension of logic by someone in this thread is, ironically, beyond belief.

  4. #4

    Re: Christmas

    Therer is an undeniable fat that there are many religions past and present, all maintained they are/were the only truth.
    It is impossible for them all to be correct.

    It is possible, or should I say probable, that they are/were all WRONG

  5. #5

    Re: Christmas

    Peer reviewed scientific journals are the most accurate evidence you can get.

    Scientific theories aren’t just being told something and believing it. There are open source studies that back everything up.

    If someone wanted to prove something they could go and repeat the same studies them self.

    If you consider the bible on the same level fair enough. But it isn’t and it means there is no point discussing it because you won’t accept genuine evidence.

  6. #6

    Re: Christmas

    The large hadron collider is used to understand particle physics theories at a deeper level that previously able. It’s not being built to prove the dawn of the universe

  7. #7

    Re: Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    In a universe that is currently assessed as having a diameter of 23 trilion light years there's probably a star cluster somewhere that resembles a teapot from a certain angle. The suspension of logic by someone in this thread is, ironically, beyond belief.
    Good news for proteastants

  8. #8

    Re: Christmas

    I just went from sexy knickers and a boob job for an 80 year old mother to a barney about how old the earth is.

    Memo to self never skip 11 pages on an internet forum.

  9. #9

    Re: Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman View Post
    I just went from sexy knickers and a boob job for an 80 year old mother to a barney about how old the earth is.

    Memo to self never skip 11 pages on an internet forum.
    It's a rare case of the debate being raised along the way
    P. S. Barney is my nickname.

  10. #10

    Re: Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    In a universe that is currently assessed as having a diameter of 23 trilion light years there's probably a star cluster somewhere that resembles a teapot from a certain angle. The suspension of logic by someone in this thread is, ironically, beyond belief.
    There is. It's part of a constellation that someone thought was shaped like a mythical archer.

    https://earthsky.org/favorite-star-p...lactic-center/

  11. #11

    Re: Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Canton Kev View Post
    I’m certainly scratching my head, not in my pursuit of evidence though....
    Leprosy?

  12. #12

    Re: Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by The Bloop View Post
    Leprosy?
    I heard there’s a bloke that can cure that

  13. #13

    Re: Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Canton Kev View Post
    I heard there’s a bloke that can cure that
    Such treatment would be no skin off my nose.

  14. #14

    Re: Christmas

    People like Dawkins and Hitchings spend a great deal of time tearing the religious lot to bits

    The religious lot wriggle their way out of it and keep coming up for air

    I admire their persistence

    My view is if there is a god and I have no belief there is , that he let's me in and I am fed grapes by women dressed in silk

    Thank you God

  15. #15

    Re: Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    People like Dawkins and Hitchings spend a great deal of time tearing the religious lot to bits

    The religious lot wriggle their way out of it and keep coming up for air

    I admire their persistence

    My view is if there is a god and I have no belief there is , that he let's me in and I am fed grapes by women dressed in silk

    Thank you God
    Dawkins has even been declared an embarrassment to atheists by atheists, and he's now too scared to debate most Biblical apologists. As for the "religious lot" (I won't bother explaining again why they are not religious) - they have nothing to wriggle away from; in fact they welcome ANY discussion on the issue because they have the confidence of knowing they have something reliable; rather than the shambles that is scientific speculation that seems to require another major guess every few years. Of course the majority will accept each guess as perfect and reliable, mainly because science has done amazing things in other fields - yet some are waking up to the fact that if each former guess was wrong, then why would the current version be any different?

  16. #16

    Re: Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by truthpaste View Post
    Dawkins has even been declared an embarrassment to atheists by atheists, and he's now too scared to debate most Biblical apologists. As for the "religious lot" (I won't bother explaining again why they are not religious) - they have nothing to wriggle away from; in fact they welcome ANY discussion on the issue because they have the confidence of knowing they have something reliable; rather than the shambles that is scientific speculation that seems to require another major guess every few years. Of course the majority will accept each guess as perfect and reliable, mainly because science has done amazing things in other fields - yet some are waking up to the fact that if each former guess was wrong, then why would the current version be any different?
    You clearly believe you’re on a roll now

  17. #17

    Re: Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Baloo View Post
    You clearly believe you’re on a roll now
    A massive HAM roll given the supply on offer here

  18. #18

    Re: Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Baloo View Post
    You clearly believe you’re on a roll now
    Rolls full of magic mushrooms

  19. #19

    Re: Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by truthpaste View Post
    Dawkins has even been declared an embarrassment to atheists by atheists, and he's now too scared to debate most Biblical apologists. As for the "religious lot" (I won't bother explaining again why they are not religious) - they have nothing to wriggle away from; in fact they welcome ANY discussion on the issue because they have the confidence of knowing they have something reliable; rather than the shambles that is scientific speculation that seems to require another major guess every few years. Of course the majority will accept each guess as perfect and reliable, mainly because science has done amazing things in other fields - yet some are waking up to the fact that if each former guess was wrong, then why would the current version be any different?
    What is reliable about something that has no basis in fact ?

    Nothing

  20. #20

    Re: Christmas

    At least you don't have to look into a galaxy far far away anymore for proof

    https://metro.co.uk/2021/12/07/cruci...rman-15732294/

  21. #21

    Re: Christmas

    The higher you go up the intelligence ladder .....doctors , scientists ......the smaller the amount of that group believe in God

    It's because through simple self actualisation it's realised it's almost certainly cobblers

  22. #22

    Re: Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    The higher you go up the intelligence ladder .....doctors , scientists ......the smaller the amount of that group believe in God

    It's because through simple self actualisation it's realised it's almost certainly cobblers
    *Wrong! But if it helps you sleep better then you go for it

    *Another comfort seeking thought without a single reference.

  23. #23

    Re: Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by truthpaste View Post
    *Wrong! But if it helps you sleep better then you go for it

    *Another comfort seeking thought without a single reference.
    https://revisesociology.com/2018/10/...-social-class/

    Religious belief and social class

    - A 2016 YouGov Survey revealed that 48% of those in social grades ABC1 described themselves as ‘Atheist’ compared to 42% of those in social grades C2ED.

    - A 2013 review of >60 research studies on the relationship between IQ and religiosity found that people with higher IQs are more likely to be atheists. (High IQs are correlated with higher levels of education and higher social class).

    - Lawes (2009) found that ‘lifelong theists’ disproportionately come from unskilled and semi-skilled manual backgrounds, and were less likely to have academic qualifications. Conversely, lifelong atheists disproportionately come from higher professional and managerial backgrounds, and are more likely to have experienced higher education.

    https://emilkirkegaard.dk//en/wp-con...planations.pdf
    This one is 30 pages long so happy reading. I’ll leave the abstract here:

    Abstract
    A meta-analysis of 63 studies showed a significant negative association between intelligence and religiosity. The association was stronger for college students and the general population than for participants younger than college age; it was also stronger for religious beliefs than religious behavior. For college students and the general population, means of weighted and unweighted correlations between intelligence and the strength of religious beliefs ranged from −.20 to −.25 (mean r = −.24). Three possible interpretations were discussed. First, intelligent people are less likely to conform and, thus, are more likely to resist religious dogma. Second, intelligent people tend to adopt an analytic (as opposed to intuitive) thinking style, which has been shown to undermine religious beliefs. Third, several functions of religiosity, including compensatory control, self-regulation, self-enhancement, and secure attachment, are also conferred by intelligence. Intelligent people may therefore have less need for religious beliefs and practices.

    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...017.02191/full
    Daws and Hampshire. The Computational, Cognitive and Clinical Neuroimaging Laboratory (C3NL), Imperial College London.

    Daws and Hampshire surveyed more than 63,000 people online, and had them complete a 30-minute set of 12 cognitive tasks that measured planning, reasoning, attention and working memory. The participants also indicated whether they were religious, agnostic or atheist.

    Atheists performed better overall than the religious participants, even after controlling for demographic factors like age and education. Agnostics tended to place between atheists and believers on all tasks. In fact, strength of religious conviction correlated with poorer cognitive performance.

  24. #24

    Re: Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    The higher you go up the intelligence ladder .....doctors , scientists ......the smaller the amount of that group believe in God

    It's because through simple self actualisation it's realised it's almost certainly cobblers
    'Almost certainly' - be careful you're showing a bit of doubt 😄

  25. #25

    Re: Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by truthpaste View Post
    *Wrong! But if it helps you sleep better then you go for it

    *Another comfort seeking thought without a single reference.
    https://emilkirkegaard.dk//en/wp-con...planations.pdf

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