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Thread: Possible racist gesture from Cardiff fan

  1. #61

    Re: Possible racist gesture from Cardiff fan

    Quote Originally Posted by Canton Kev View Post
    Do you not see the difference between someone making racist monkey gestures towards a black person and someone making a “you're fat” gesture towards a professional athlete who is in the top 0.1% of the healthiest and fittest people in the country?
    Do you not see the difference between making a racist monkey gesture towards a white professional athlete who is in the top 0.1% (sic) of the healthiest and fittest people in the country and that could offend a significant number of people, and making a "you're fat gesture" towards a white professional athlete who is in the top 0.1% (sic) of the healthiest and fittest people in the country and that could equally offend a significant number of, admittedly, less important people? Me neither.

  2. #62

    Re: Possible racist gesture from Cardiff fan

    Quote Originally Posted by Do me a Faerber View Post
    It's not a question that is answerable really. It could be an extensive list that, on missing one item out, will see me tagged as some sort of *ist.

    Let's put it another way. There was an outcry this morning that someone was perceived to have been doing a racist gesture. Generally, the people who took offence were white football fans jumping to conclusions, and engaging the keyboard to prove they, themselves, are not racist. They were angry that this one man was making this one gesture that was offensive to a large group of people.

    Then, it turns out the gesture WASN'T offensive towards that large group of people at all. However, the gesture could still be construed to be offensive to a different large group of people, some of who may actually have fallen in the original group of people. The response to the gesture offending a different group of people was "Well, that's alright then, as long as it's not the wrong type of offensive gesture".

    I don't, particularly, take offence at fat jokes. If I am sat with my chubby girlfriend (her words) and a comedian makes some fat jokes, she is likely to get upset. Unless that comedian is fat, then she laughs. Strange how it works isn't it? None of it is exactly black and white. It is strange too how a gesture towards one group of people is passed off as "Well, that's alright then" by the same group of people who saw the same gesture, wrongly assumed it was towards a different group of people and were "find him, ban him, name him, shame him".

    By the way, I found the gesture immature and not funny the first time I saw it. I didn't jump to the conclusions that others have because, well, there was always the possibility it wasn't what it looked like. Now that I know the gesture's intentions, I still think it is immature and not funny.
    This is about fat tits not fat people in general. You are probably more interested in the Fat Wives Matter thread.

  3. #63

    Re: Possible racist gesture from Cardiff fan

    Quote Originally Posted by Do me a Faerber View Post
    Do you not see the difference between making a racist monkey gesture towards a white professional athlete who is in the top 0.1% (sic) of the healthiest and fittest people in the country and that could offend a significant number of people, and making a "you're fat gesture" towards a white professional athlete who is in the top 0.1% (sic) of the healthiest and fittest people in the country and that could equally offend a significant number of, admittedly, less important people? Me neither.
    I think you need to look at the history of racism to be honest if you’re seriously making this argument.

  4. #64

    Re: Possible racist gesture from Cardiff fan

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    This is about fat tits not fat people in general. You are probably more interested in the Fat Wives Matter thread.
    Quite right, looks like I was on the virtue signalling thread all along. Stone the crows!

  5. #65

    Re: Possible racist gesture from Cardiff fan

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    I think you need to look at the history of racism to be honest if you’re seriously making this argument.
    Oh, so it's only racist gestures that we need to worry about. That will explain why so many gay footballers have gone public. The point I am making is it is distinctly hypocritical for people to get offended about one type of gesture, and to pass off the same gesture (with context) as "one of those things".

  6. #66

    Re: Possible racist gesture from Cardiff fan

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    I think you need to look at the history of racism to be honest if you’re seriously making this argument.
    Perhaps you could run a course for people?

  7. #67

    Re: Possible racist gesture from Cardiff fan

    Quote Originally Posted by Do me a Faerber View Post
    Oh, so it's only racist gestures that we need to worry about. That will explain why so many gay footballers have gone public. The point I am making is it is distinctly hypocritical for people to get offended about one type of gesture, and to pass off the same gesture (with context) as "one of those things".
    I think suggesting that many gay footballers will choose to stay in the closet because someone said that a Hull player had fat tits is a stretch to be honest

  8. #68

    Re: Possible racist gesture from Cardiff fan

    Quote Originally Posted by Do me a Faerber View Post
    Oh, so it's only racist gestures that we need to worry about. That will explain why so many gay footballers have gone public. The point I am making is it is distinctly hypocritical for people to get offended about one type of gesture, and to pass off the same gesture (with context) as "one of those things".
    so what's your point here?
    that everyone should be up in arms about this guy saying that a football player had fat tits, or that we all shouldn't have been bothered when we all thought it was overt racism?

    you either want this guy banned from the club for fat titism, or are happy to see people make racist gestures?

  9. #69

    Re: Possible racist gesture from Cardiff fan

    Quote Originally Posted by Do me a Faerber View Post
    Do you not see the difference between making a racist monkey gesture towards a white professional athlete who is in the top 0.1% (sic) of the healthiest and fittest people in the country and that could offend a significant number of people, and making a "you're fat gesture" towards a white professional athlete who is in the top 0.1% (sic) of the healthiest and fittest people in the country and that could equally offend a significant number of, admittedly, less important people? Me neither.
    The group of players he made the gesture towards had black players in it. Are you really trying to argue that had he made a monkey gesture it would’ve been towards specifically the white person?

  10. #70

    Re: Possible racist gesture from Cardiff fan

    This thread could be out of a Monty Python sketch lol 😂

  11. #71

    Re: Possible racist gesture from Cardiff fan

    Stone the Gays
    No I said he’s a racist
    Stone the racist
    No he’s got Fat Tits
    Stone everyone with Fat Tits 😂

  12. #72

    Re: Possible racist gesture from Cardiff fan

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunnysideup View Post
    This thread could be out of a Monty Python sketch lol 😂

  13. #73

    Re: Possible racist gesture from Cardiff fan

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunnysideup View Post
    This thread could be out of a Monty Python sketch lol 😂
    Quote Originally Posted by Trigger View Post
    It's hard to tell though if I've entered the arguement room or the abuse room?

  14. #74

    Re: Possible racist gesture from Cardiff fan

    At least we've got that off our chests.

  15. #75

    Re: Possible racist gesture from Cardiff fan

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunnysideup View Post
    Stone the Gays
    No I said he’s a racist
    Stone the racist
    No he’s got Fat Tits
    Stone everyone with Fat Tits ��

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    Re: Possible racist gesture from Cardiff fan

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    surely not wanting to appear racist is a good thing? I'm glad these days most people are aware they need to choose their words carefully when talking about sensitive subjects.
    its the knee jerk response that follows from many on here if you don't immediately denounce what they perceive to be racist/sexist/bigotry.

    Q What do you call a Welshman with a stick up his arse?

    A Taffy apple

    You may think that's racist, I can't see how it could be.

  17. #77

    Re: Possible racist gesture from Cardiff fan

    Quote Originally Posted by Feedback View Post
    its the knee jerk response that follows from many on here if you don't immediately denounce what they perceive to be racist/sexist/bigotry.

    Q What do you call a Welshman with a stick up his arse?

    A Taffy apple

    You may think that's racist, I can't see how it could be.
    That's downright apple-ist, old fruit.

  18. #78
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    Re: Possible racist gesture from Cardiff fan

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    so what's your point here?
    that everyone should be up in arms about this guy saying that a football player had fat tits, or that we all shouldn't have been bothered when we all thought it was overt racism?

    you either want this guy banned from the club for fat titism, or are happy to see people make racist gestures?
    i do feel there are shades of grey inbetween the black and white you portray.

    what is being said is that many on here are hypocritical calling for a fan to be banned for abusing one demographic but then passing off the same abuse as high jinks when its shown to have been targeting another altogether demographic.

  19. #79
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    Re: Possible racist gesture from Cardiff fan

    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    That's downright apple-ist, old fruit.
    finally, the moniker fits.

  20. #80

    Re: Possible racist gesture from Cardiff fan

    Quote Originally Posted by Feedback View Post
    i do feel there are shades of grey inbetween the black and white you portray.

    what is being said is that many on here are hypocritical calling for a fan to be banned for abusing one demographic but then passing off the same abuse as high jinks when its shown to have been targeting another altogether demographic.
    How the **** is it hypocritical for thinking someone should be banned for being racist but not for saying something about a man's fat tits

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