Possible racist gesture from Cardiff fan

[Trigger]

This thread could be out of a Monty Python sketch lol 😂

[The Bloop]

This thread could be out of a Monty Python sketch lol 😂

It's hard to tell though if I've entered the arguement room or the abuse room?

[Taunton Blue Genie]

At least we've got that off our chests.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

its the knee jerk response that follows from many on here if you don't immediately denounce what they perceive to be racist/sexist/bigotry.

Q What do you call a Welshman with a stick up his arse?

A Taffy apple

You may think that's racist, I can't see how it could be.

The response to your faux pas regarding the turban song was lengthened not by people joining the fray but by your ridiculous ego not accepting that you were stupid and insensitive to try and say what's racist about that song ? You were enlightened as to why it was racist but still spent a day squirming your way around .

You didnt perceive the song to be racist but it is .

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

It isn't racist, hope that helps

Indeed , it isn't racist

Ignorant maybe , at a push 🤔

[life on mars]

Fat Tits Matter

What about Bell Ends and Twats it seems those names are okay for use by the purists ?? 😂

[splott parker]

I’m partial to a fat tit, not on a Hull City player I might add though. If it’s two fat tits I’m in

[Feedback]

It isn't racist, hope that helps

It isn't, but some have taken umbrage with it.

[Feedback]

The response to your faux pas regarding the turban song was lengthened not by people joining the fray but by your ridiculous ego not accepting that you were stupid and insensitive to try and say what's racist about that song ? You were enlightened as to why it was racist but still spent a day squirming your way around .

You didnt perceive the song to be racist but it is .

Back to the turban song...as always you just want to shout down whoever you think is wrong (in this case the racist) without asking them to explain their thought processes.

Why not ask the question why the song isn't racist and see if that can be answered? Why not try to get them to think rather than adopt an entrenched position in which they think its now a legitimate battle.

If you're going to persuade people their actions or thinking are wrong, you do that by selling your idea, not forcing it upon them

Think the wind and the sun in aesops fable. Read about Daryl Davies and how his approach to fighting racism (and other forms of bigotry) achieves stellar results.

Edit: the lord lieutenant of London called it right regarding tackling racism. Some people use words that are clearly benign in intention but are labelled racists. It stifles any kind of discussion or debate

[Feedback]

Indeed , it isn't racist

Ignorant maybe , at a push 🤔

Ignorant of what, it's no more than a play on words

[Croesy Blue]

It isn't, but some have taken umbrage with it.

People take umbrage with lots of things it shouldn’t be used to weaken the arguments against things that deserve it though

[Feedback]

People take umbrage with lots of things it shouldn’t be used to weaken the arguments against things that deserve it though

Agreed

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Back to the turban song...as always you just want to shout down whoever you think is wrong (in this case the racist) without asking them to explain their thought processes.

Why not ask the question why the song isn't racist and see if that can be answered? Why not try to get them to think rather than adopt an entrenched position in which they think its now a legitimate battle.

If you're going to persuade people their actions or thinking are wrong, you do that by selling your idea, not forcing it upon them

Think the wind and the sun in aesops fable. Read about Daryl Davies and how his approach to fighting racism (and other forms of bigotry) achieves stellar results.

Edit: the lord lieutenant of London called it right regarding tackling racism. Some people use words that are clearly benign in intention but are labelled racists. It stifles any kind of discussion or debate

The turban song is racist as it comes

I think you know that of course it is

And you were given an explanation as to why by loads of people on that record breaking thread

Rather than accept that you keep bleating like a lamb because your ego won't allow you to be wrong

Feck knows what happens when a doctor tells you it's bad news we have to take your kidney out

I feel sorry for the fecker , you will be arguing you are right despite overwhelming evidence that you are wrong till they shut the coffin

Clear the area !

[Feedback]

The turban song is racist as it comes

I think you know that of course it is

And you were given an explanation as to why by loads of people on that record breaking thread

Rather than accept that you keep bleating like a lamb because your ego won't allow you to be wrong

Feck knows what happens when a doctor tells you it's bad news we have to take your kidney out

I feel sorry for the fecker , you will be arguing you are right despite overwhelming evidence that you are wrong till they shut the coffin

Clear the area !

You clearly missed the bit where I articulated my opinion that you don't beat racists by telling them they're wrong, but by asking them why they think they are right and why do they think the way they do.

You just want to shout at those you don't like, but that approach never works

[WJ99mobile]

You clearly missed the bit where I articulated my opinion that you don't beat racists by telling them they're wrong, but by asking them why they think they are right and why do they think the way they do.

You just want to shout at those you don't like, but that approach never works

100% and can change racism for any other subject.

[Croesy Blue]

Hang on, so are you saying that if a fan makes a stupid gesture to a player with big tits, that is an insult to just that person singularly? If that is the case then a man making a similarly stupid gesture towards a black man is surely an insult to just that person singularly - by your very definition. At least try to be consistent. I am being completely consistent in pointing out that, whether the gesture had racist intentions, or fat shaming intentions then either way it was an act of hatred making fun of someone because of their physical appearance. The fact the gesture was made to one player doesn't preclude the possibility that some people in one or other of the demographics may be upset, hurt, or shamed when watching it.

On the other hand, others here seem relieved that this man was mocking overweight people rather than black people. In a perverse world, this seems to be entirely explainable and not hypocritical at all.

You're a hypocrite mate and, I'd wager that if we went forward 10 years and fat shaming was more of an issue that people scorned, you'd be jumping on that bandwagon too.

Go have a burger ffs

[Do me a Faerber]

Go have a burger ffs

So, no answer then. Ta!

[willo1927]

I find it best to hang fire sometimes.......

Exactly
The pitchforks were out pretty quickly.
Shows the need for proof being branding people on my clip at one angle

[Baloo]

Hang on, so are you saying that if a fan makes a stupid gesture to a player with big tits, that is an insult to just that person singularly? If that is the case then a man making a similarly stupid gesture towards a black man is surely an insult to just that person singularly - by your very definition. At least try to be consistent. I am being completely consistent in pointing out that, whether the gesture had racist intentions, or fat shaming intentions then either way it was an act of hatred making fun of someone because of their physical appearance. The fact the gesture was made to one player doesn't preclude the possibility that some people in one or other of the demographics may be upset, hurt, or shamed when watching it.

On the other hand, others here seem relieved that this man was mocking overweight people rather than black people. In a perverse world, this seems to be entirely explainable and not hypocritical at all.

You're a hypocrite mate and, I'd wager that if we went forward 10 years and fat shaming was more of an issue that people scorned, you'd be jumping on that bandwagon too.

For consistency then, do you feel the Kev McN song is an act of hatred towards people who might be self-conscious about their silver/grey hair?

[Do me a Faerber]

For consistency then, do you feel the Kev McN song is an act of hatred towards people who might be self-conscious about their silver/grey hair?

Clearly the Kev McN song is not a cruel taunt towards Kevin McNaughton and is not sung in an effort to ridicule the individual, and ends with the singers wishing they had silver hair too. Is it possible that people who are self-conscious about their hair feel uncomfortable about it? Yes.

[Trigger]

For consistency then, do you feel the Kev McN song is an act of hatred towards people who might be self-conscious about their silver/grey hair?

What downside is there to be king able to shag everyone's wives? Unless they have fat tits.... Wait what if I like fat tits? I'm confused

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

You clearly missed the bit where I articulated my opinion that you don't beat racists by telling them they're wrong, but by asking them why they think they are right and why do they think the way they do.

You just want to shout at those you don't like, but that approach never works

No , you said why is this a racist song ?, you said it wasn't racist

You were told why it was

Then spent the day trying to argue the toss that it wasn't 🙄

[Feedback]

No , you said why is this a racist song ?, you said it wasn't racist

You were told why it was

Then spent the day trying to argue the toss that it wasn't ��

again, you're not taking on board what was written. Me saying something is not racist is not the same as you asking me why I tihnk it is not racist.

try and keep up sludge, you're not as lacking as intelligence as your posts make out.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

100% and can change racism for any other subject.

Feedback want initially talking about changing people's attitude towards racism though , the slippery eel

He got onto that discussion , an entirely different thing ......how we deal with racism .....to deflect away from his pathetic notion that the turban song wasn't racist .......it was pointed out it was by loads of posters and the idiot instead of putting his hand up and saying yep , I can see that , went off elsewhere trying to avoid his foot in mouth moment

He's not interested in whether somethings racist or not , he is only interested in his feathered ego

[Feedback]

Feedback want initially talking about changing people's attitude towards racism though , the slippery eel

He got onto that discussion , an entirely different thing ......how we deal with racism .....to deflect away from his pathetic notion that the turban song wasn't racist .......it was pointed out it was by loads of posters and the idiot instead of putting his hand up and saying yep , I can see that , went off elsewhere trying to avoid his foot in mouth moment

He's not interested in whether somethings racist or not , he is only interested in his feathered ego

you really do not get the point at all do you.