The new Beatles film/series

[Ivortheengine]

Macartney- he and his three mates were responsible for changing the world- it’s as simple as that.

[MOZZER2]

Macartney- he and his three mates were responsible for changing the world- it’s as simple as that.

based on what ivor ?
i beg to differ if we are talking music

[NYCBlue]

based on what ivor ?
i beg to differ if we are talking music

They showed that four ordinary blokes could write and perform their own songs and succeed. They created some of the best songs and albums ever recorded. They influenced and continue to influence countless bands. And we're still talking about them more than 50 years after it was all over.

[goats]

They showed that four ordinary blokes could write and perform their own songs and succeed. They created some of the best songs and albums ever recorded. They influenced and continue to influence countless bands. And we're still talking about them more than 50 years after it was all over.

I doubt we will ever see such talent anytime soon

[NYCBlue]

I doubt we will ever see such talent anytime soon

In the film John is 28, Paul is 26, George is 25 and Ringo is 28. Crazy.

[MOZZER2]

They showed that four ordinary blokes could write and perform their own songs and succeed. They created some of the best songs and albums ever recorded. They influenced and continue to influence countless bands. And we're still talking about them more than 50 years after it was all over.

not doubting there talent and the works they produced some great tunes but the thread i responded to mentioned changing the world .The Beatles were a product of the previous generation and if you look at there influences the likes of cliff richard , buddy holly , elvis , bob dylan , chuck berry , beach boys , everly brothers to name a few were the real game changers in music . All forms of popular music came from gospel , blues , jazz and country music in the 1950's

[NYCBlue]

not doubting there talent and the works they produced some great tunes but the thread i responded to mentioned changing the world .The Beatles were a product of the previous generation and if you look at there influences the likes of cliff richard , buddy holly , elvis , bob dylan , chuck berry , beach boys , everly brothers to name a few were the real game changers in music . All forms of popular music came from gospel , blues , jazz and country music in the 1950's

But they took all that (probably not that easy in those days - you couldn't just look up every band you heard of on youtube) and turned it into something else. Something that had a profound effect and influenced probably more bands than all the names you mentioned combined. I love the Beach Boys, but to put them ahead of the Beatles in terms of being influential is ridiculous. Cliff Richard was just a Elvis/Eddie Cochran imitator and his most influential "rock and roll" song (Move It) was written by someone else. Elvis never wrote a song in his life by the way. Lennon and McCartney started writing songs in their teens.

[MOZZER2]

But they took all that (probably not that easy in those days - you couldn't just look up every band you heard of on youtube) and turned it into something else. Something that had a profound effect and influenced probably more bands than all the names you mentioned combined. I love the Beach Boys, but to put them ahead of the Beatles in terms of being influential is ridiculous. Cliff Richard was just a Elvis/Eddie Cochran imitator and his most influential "rock and roll" song (Move It) was written by someone else. Elvis never wrote a song in his life by the way. Lennon and McCartney started writing songs in their teens.

think your getting all confused NYC the influences i mentioned were from the Beatles members not me

[NYCBlue]

think your getting all confused NYC the influences i mentioned were from the Beatles members not me

I understand the Beatles were influenced by other artists. But they didn't just copy them. The Beatles are greater than the sum of all those parts. They changed music and therefore changed the world.

[the other bob wilson]

not doubting there talent and the works they produced some great tunes but the thread i responded to mentioned changing the world .The Beatles were a product of the previous generation and if you look at there influences the likes of cliff richard , buddy holly , elvis , bob dylan , chuck berry , beach boys , everly brothers to name a few were the real game changers in music . All forms of popular music came from gospel , blues , jazz and country music in the 1950's

I suspect you’re not old enough to have lived through all of the years when the Beatles were active and selling records (I.e. 1962 to 1970). I’m a bit too young for my memories of their early years to be entirely reliable, but,I think it’s generally accepted that the sixties were a seminal decade - put simplistically, it was when the world went from black and white to colour in ways beyond just cinema and television.

My impression is that the first three years of the sixties were just an extension of the fifties, musically, the shot in the arm provided by rock and roll in the mid fifties had died out as it had gone mainstream with “safer” versions of some of the artists you mention dominant. That all changed in 1963 when I can recall She Loves You (one of my least favourite Beatles songs) getting to number one and it seemed like everyone, and I mean everyone, was singing it.

That was when the sixties started as far as Im concerned. The Beatles didn’t create the sense of rebellion that was a characteristic of that decade, the conditions were in place already for what that decade became, but, for me, they were the focal point of it in that they kicked open a door through which others could follow.

There are those who say the Beatles were “safe” in the way that Hollywood Elvis became safe, they were like Pat Boone, Paul Anka etc, and, certainly, Brian Epstein tried to steer them in that sort of direction while he was still alive, but he couldn’t. In my experience, it is very rare for the biggest, most famous bands and performers of an era to be able to sell huge amounts of records and be good - the ones that sell the most singles tend to be unadventurous and predictable musically, but the Beatles were the biggest band out there for a while and they were also very good and musically adventurous.

There was a time when eight hours worth of television showing the Beatles working in the studio in their latter days would have been lapped up by me, but I’m in no hurry to watch it now, so I suppose I agree with the Whisperer to some extent, but that doesn’t mean that I don’t fully understand why people are still driven to produce such work more than half of a century later - the Beatles were a phenomenon and our lives would have been different if they had not existed, their influence in so many facets of life is greater than any other musical act of my lifetime.

[Q]

I suspect you’re not old enough to have lived through all of the years when the Beatles were active and selling records (I.e. 1962 to 1970). I’m a bit too young for my memories of their early years to be entirely reliable, but,I think it’s generally accepted that the sixties were a seminal decade - put simplistically, it was when the world went from black and white to colour in ways beyond just cinema and television.

My impression is that the first three years of the sixties were just an extension of the fifties, musically, the shot in the arm provided by rock and roll in the mid fifties had died out as it had gone mainstream with “safer” versions of some of the artists you mention dominant. That all changed in 1963 when I can recall She Loves You (one of my least favourite Beatles songs) getting to number one and it seemed like everyone, and I mean everyone, was singing it.

That was when the sixties started as far as Im concerned. The Beatles didn’t create the sense of rebellion that was a characteristic of that decade, the conditions were in place already for what that decade became, but, for me, they were the focal point of it in that they kicked open a door through which others could follow.

There are those who say the Beatles were “safe” in the way that Hollywood Elvis became safe, they were like Pat Boone, Paul Anka etc, and, certainly, Brian Epstein tried to steer them in that sort of direction while he was still alive, but he couldn’t. In my experience, it is very rare for the biggest, most famous bands and performers of an era to be able to sell huge amounts of records and be good - the ones that sell the most singles tend to be unadventurous and predictable musically, but the Beatles were the biggest band out there for a while and they were also very good and musically adventurous.

There was a time when eight hours worth of television showing the Beatles working in the studio in their latter days would have been lapped up by me, but I’m in no hurry to watch it now, so I suppose I agree with the Whisperer to some extent, but that doesn’t mean that I don’t fully understand why people are still driven to produce such work more than half of a century later - the Beatles were a phenomenon and our lives would have been different if they had not existed, their influence in so many facets of life is greater than any other musical act of my lifetime.

Agree with a lot of that

I watched the near 8hrs of footage and generally enjoyed it.

Lennon and McC certainly seem to be very close and connected

Harrison seemed like a spare wheel and almost ignored when it came to arranging songs. Felt a little that after he came back from quitting the Beatles Lennon actually went out of his way to give Harrison ideas and songs more airtime. Fundamentally though, it seems the style Harrison wanted for himself (more Clapton like) was not how the Beatles played or McC wanted to play so there was clearly a growing problem there.

McC seemed to lead 90% of the arrangement work

Ringo Comes Across as a nice guy loving seeing McC and Lennon at work. Just watching them and loving music. Also seemed a decent guy in it all

McC and Lennon still seem to be Co-writing as far as credits are concerned but less and less in reality

No sure I saw anything from yoko that was negative or from Lennon that suggested she was influencing him away from the Beatles. The facts that Harrison didn’t want to tour or do shows, ringo wanted to stay close to home plus McC wanted something big and different all added to the problem. The underlying issue mostly seemed to be Harrison wanted to go off and do his own thing. McC was very accepting of Yoko at meetings etc and seemed to have an accepting relationship but not a connection to her

Lennon came across as genuine guy and clearly loved being with McC

[Do me a Faerber]

based on what ivor ?
i beg to differ if we are talking music

If they hadn't changed music, then point me to a song that sounds like "Tomorrow Never Knows" that was released or recorded before it? Or Sergeant Pepper. Or Eleanor Rigby. Or Strawberry Fields. Or....

They clearly changed and defined music for decades to come.