The Two-faced, hypocritical Buffoon and his Party set for a Mauling at PMQ's Today..

[nugent]

He couldn't wind up a clock, he hasn't got the subtlety

What the **** has left and right got to do with it? You absolute thick inbred **** wit?

I couldn’t see a sick relative who was in hospital for months while these goons setting the rules were laughing and partying.

People couldn’t go to family members funerals.

And the reason they get away with it is everyone is as dense as you and get their news from social media.

So do the posters who voted for Boris Johnson feel any annoyance with what he's done at all?

It gets to the point where I wonder what he'd have to do to get any criticism from his supporters on here.

With his history and voting record I find it difficult to understand how anyone could want to vote for him in the first place other than they really wanted to "get brexit done". But I can't believe he was making you lockdown and isolate while having a Christmas party and people still want to rush to his defence.

He's being a **** call him a ****. I voted for Blair and spent the whole of the Iraq war and since calling him a ****. There's nothing wrong with changing your mind, it's part of intelligent debate.

Whats beyond belief is that anybody would believe fully in a manifesto by any party.

I believe in conservative values...
Reward people that go out to work.
A benefits system that's fair for the people that need it while also fair for the people that pay for it.
Ask not what your country can do for you bit what you can do for your country.
Fack socialism. Fack unions, fack scroungers.
Fack the can't work won't work brigade.
If immigrants want to come over here to work, welcome them with open arms, if they want to come over here for a free council house, nhs treatments and knock babies out and not pay thier way, then send em back.
Reward large companies with better tax schemes for them creating jobs.
Reward entrepreneurship.
Etc.

I'm a proud fully paid up member me, I get a monthly newsletter off boris , cheese n wine nights with our local MP.
Had a pint with Cameron in Cardiff.
Got a signed copy of maggies autobiography.

Boris is a vote winner.
If there was an election now he'd blast it.

There's plenty of support for the Tories on twitter.
Every lefty / South walian going into blame hysterics over this party that may or may not have happened and I bet every single one of them broke some covid rule in last 2 years or so.
I'll call anyone a liar if they say different.

Didn't break one house gathering rule?
Didn't break one mask wearing rule?
Didn't break one social distancing rule?
Didn't hug someone when they shouldn't have?

Fack off mun

[Jimmy the Jock]

This should be in the politics section, surely?

[Croesy Blue]

Reads a bit like a party political broadcast for the Labour Party



Use a global pandemic to defend the government? Not quite sure where I've done that.

The parroting from the murdoch press, sorry but that's just patronising nonsense. Presumably the personal abuse I directed at boris is ok because you agree, but because you don't agree with what I said about Corbyn it's parrots from the press.

As it happens I don't engage much with the murdoch express. Not particularly because of any ideological reasons, but because they're all behind a pay wall and I'm too tight to pay. I've got no particular interest in meghan or the kardashians so the daily mail also has nothing to offer me. My go to online newspapers are generally the indie and the guardian, hardly your rabid right wing press that are warping my simple mind against corban.


The reality of course, is that you're a Labour man, I'm someone who normally votes tory (although won't be next election), so we are probably going to disagree on most things politically.

I have not voted labour for 2 general elections for a start. I'm not a member of any political party, I vote for the party that I think will do the most to help the working classes and the young people in this country. Me and my Mrs earn very good wages, a vote for the tory party is probably more beneficial to me personally than anyone else but I would always rather live in a society that is fair and just which is why I would never vote for the tories because track records and manifestos don't reflect that. And it's probably why I would never vote for even a centre right government.

I'm not a "labour man" I don't support political parties like football teams.

That post is genuine criticisms of the tory government, which do you disagree with?

The Sadiq Kahn bit is in there because I did vote for him as London Mayor 3 times and he's done a great job.

What about Corbyn did you think was vile?

What is it that makes you think the tories are so good for the economy?

What is it that makes you think labour are so bad for the economy?

[Tuerto]

You have gone from being a far left respect supporter to being a tory !?

Feck me it's lazarus

This guy is as confused as the Hitchens brothers. You can't get more left that the respect party, I should know, my old man was on their national council with Ken loach amongst others. I'm all for people changing their mind, but **** me, that's a swing. Maybe he was just Anti war, as Respect campaigned on The illegal invasion.

[nugent]

This should be in the politics section, surely?

The Scottish snooker open should be in Scotland too but its in Llandudno

[Croesy Blue]

This should be in the politics section, surely?

Does it matter if it's only one thread. It isn't taking up much room on the front page and people don't have to read it.

It seems to be quite active with lots of ccmb members, isn't that what a messageboard is for?

[nugent]

I have not voted labour for 2 general elections for a start. I'm not a member of any political party, I vote for the party that I think will do the most to help the working classes and the young people in this country. Me and my Mrs earn very good wages, a vote for the tory party is probably more beneficial to me personally than anyone else but I would always rather live in a society that is fair and just which is why I would never vote for the tories because track records and manifestos don't reflect that. And it's probably why I would never vote for even a centre right government.

I'm not a "labour man" I don't support political parties like football teams.

That post is genuine criticisms of the tory government, which do you disagree with?

The Sadiq Kahn bit is in there because I did vote for him as London Mayor 3 times and he's done a great job.

What about Corbyn did you think was vile?

What is it that makes you think the tories are so good for the economy?

What is it that makes you think labour are so bad for the economy?

The Tories raised the income tax threshold to such a level that anyone who is on minimum wage doesn't pay income tax.
So you should have voted tory if you want fair for working classes

[chrisp_1927]

Interesting points Chris but I really don't get the hatred for Corbyn. In my opinion that man as PM would have been the tonic this poor country needed.

Apart from political viewpoints, there is 1 major drawback i see with Corbyn, one that is most definitely shared with Boris. I just think they're both quite stupid people, I've never really got a feeling that either of them have the iq or ability to learn that a leader needs. I wonder if some of the cock ups Boris makes are down to him being too stupid to understand what needs doing, I personally think corbyn would have had the same problem.

I do think that corbynism had an overall positive effect on the country mind. Certainly made both parties realise that there was an appetite with large sections of the population for an increase in public spending

[Croesy Blue]

The Tories raised the income tax threshold to such a level that anyone who is on minimum wage doesn't pay income tax.
So you should have voted tory if you want fair for working classes

The latest national insurance raise does the complete opposite though. It is unequal and places a bigger burden on the income of low earners.

And that income tax threshold effects even the people earning 6 figures so you're losing tax contributions that could go towards essential public services like education. So while it may look like a positive for the working class it only appears that way if you look at it from a very shallow level.

[Jimmy the Jock]

Does it matter if it's only one thread. It isn't taking up much room on the front page and people don't have to read it.

It seems to be quite active with lots of ccmb members, isn't that what a messageboard is for?

Its political , you are all shouting at each other saying the same regurgitated shit that political people do .
So yeah , go shout in the political section . It will soon lose its appeal...........
I want to talk about Callum "hard working" Paterson...

[Croesy Blue]

Its political , you are all shouting at each other saying the same regurgitated shit that political people do .
So yeah , go shout in the political section . It will soon lose its appeal...........
I want to talk about Callum "hard working" Paterson...

Me too that's why I click on that thread

I think the politics section is useful as it stops the main board being clutered with non stop politics. But I don't see the harm in having one thread. There are plenty of threads I have no interest in, I just don't click on them.

[Jimmy the Jock]

Me too that's why I click on that thread

I think the politics section is useful as it stops the main board being clutered with non stop politics. But I don't see the harm in having one thread. There are plenty of threads I have no interest in, I just don't click on them.

I didn't make the rules.
I can click on and comment on any subject I like. Even if its negative.

[Croesy Blue]

I didn't make the rules.
I can click on and comment on any subject I like. Even if its negative.

I'm not trying to start an argument, click on whatever you want

[Tuerto]

Does it matter if it's only one thread. It isn't taking up much room on the front page and people don't have to read it.

It seems to be quite active with lots of ccmb members, isn't that what a messageboard is for?

Yup, and there's some healthy debate going on, rather than the usual nonsense.

[Jimmy the Jock]

I'm not trying to start an argument, click on whatever you want

Good plan .
Too late though.

[Croesy Blue]

Yup, and there's some healthy debate going on, rather than the usual nonsense.

Yeah exactly it's been quite interesting I think.

[Jimmy the Jock]

Yup, and there's some healthy debate going on, rather than the usual nonsense.

Really ? I hate Tories.. I hate labour , I hate Tony Blair , Boris etc etc ....
You did say something a little different that you were so left wing you weren't voting Labour . I did chuckle .

[chrisp_1927]

I have not voted labour for 2 general elections for a start. I'm not a member of any political party, I vote for the party that I think will do the most to help the working classes and the young people in this country. Me and my Mrs earn very good wages, a vote for the tory party is probably more beneficial to me personally than anyone else but I would always rather live in a society that is fair and just which is why I would never vote for the tories because track records and manifestos don't reflect that. And it's probably why I would never vote for even a centre right government.

I'm not a "labour man" I don't support political parties like football teams.

That post is genuine criticisms of the tory government, which do you disagree with?

The Sadiq Kahn bit is in there because I did vote for him as London Mayor 3 times and he's done a great job.

What about Corbyn did you think was vile?

What is it that makes you think the tories are so good for the economy?

What is it that makes you think labour are so bad for the economy?

If you think that tfl was rubbing along in great shape under Sadiq then that's something else I'd have to disagree with you on. The current fighting between mayor and dft reflects very poorly on both sides. He's also the bloke who evidently didn't realise that crossrail would be delayed until 2 days before it was due to open 🤣. The situation with tfl is a lot more nuanced than you let on.

[Tuerto]

Really ? I hate Tories.. I hate labour , I hate Tony Blair , Boris etc etc ....
You did say something a little different that you were so left wing you weren't voting Labour . I did chuckle .

Glad it made you smile!

[Croesy Blue]

If you think that tfl was rubbing along in great shape under Sadiq then that's something else I'd have to disagree with you on. The current fighting between mayor and dft reflects very poorly on both sides. He's also the bloke who evidently didn't realise that crossrail would be delayed until 2 days before it was due to open ��. The situation with tfl is a lot more nuanced than you let on.

I think you're missing the point. I wasn't saying it was perfect under Kahn I was saying it made a profit under a labour mayor after losses during a tory mayor because you were saying the tories are good econmically and labour are bad.

[Croesy Blue]

Glad it made you smile!

I don't understand why it's funny? Labour are basically slightly left leaning at the moment based on their policies aren't they.

I would rather a more left wing party too, I think it would really benefit the country. It'd never get in though is the issue so centre left is the best we could ever hope for.

[Tuerto]

I don't understand why it's funny? Labour are basically slightly left leaning at the moment based on their policies aren't they.

I would rather a more left wing party too, I think it would really benefit the country. It'd never get in though is the issue so centre left is the best we could ever hope for.

Yeah, I think that Jim may be under the impression that I would go towards the right if I don't vote labour, like labour are the only supposed left wing party on the ballot paper. They're not, and they're not left wing either, more right wing under Starmer.

[Jimmy the Jock]

Yeah, I think that Jim may be under the impression that I would go towards the right if I don't vote labour, like labour are the only supposed left wing party on the ballot paper. They're not, and they're not left wing either, more right wing under Starmer.

No not at all .
If YOU dont vote Labour how the **** are they ever going to get back in ?
Indirectly you will be helping the Tories.
We need some kind of opposition or the excesses of the Tories behaviour will get worse and worse.
There , now you have done it . I have joined in .
Should still be in politics forum

[Tuerto]

No not at all .
If YOU dont vote Labour how the **** are they ever going to get back in ?
Indirectly you will be helping the Tories.
We need some kind of opposition or the excesses of the Tories behaviour will get worse and worse.
There , now you have done it . I have joined in .
Should still be in politics forum

It's a fair response Jim, and one that I wrestle with.

[Croesy Blue]

No not at all .
If YOU dont vote Labour how the **** are they ever going to get back in ?
Indirectly you will be helping the Tories.
We need some kind of opposition or the excesses of the Tories behaviour will get worse and worse.
There , now you have done it . I have joined in .
Should still be in politics forum

It is a good point though! One I've struggled with. Are we better off voting for a party we don't really agree with to keep one we don't really like out of power.

Is anything else a wasted vote or is too many people doing tactical voting stopping the growth of a 3rd party.

If this was in the politics forum this discussion would never have happened so that's why it shouldn't be moved